Squeak-dev June 2000

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Re: A new default look for Squeak, revisited
by Stephane Ducasse 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

The beauty should win Continue Henrik! This is great! I do not know if all the issues are addressed and how they should be but it would be REALLY GREAT if we could have a button saying JUMP IN BEAUTY or other looks so that people that want can get rid of this HORRIBLE and UGLY (I really like bloody adjective this morning) look. I want to be beta tester of this look. Do you have a change set somewhere with a button for dummies asking "do you want to kump in beauty?" so that we do not have to have some magic invocation to type. > But back to the issue at hand. If people would like this included in the > distribution, I'll package it up as a change set. (It's quite simple in > fact, to 95% some changed color parameters in various places.) The font is > the only thing that can't be expected to work generally (yet), and (as > usual) it is intended for LCD screens anyway. I can browse the X11 fonts et > al and see what I find. So with the beautiful web browser we saw yesterday, the beauty is really coming in Squeak. Really positive feeling. Stef the one asking boring questions and raising stupid topics. Yes I know I'm dumb bvut I live quite well with that facts!

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RE: A new default look for Squeak, revisited
by Steffen.Mueller＠phaidros.com 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Hi Henryk, I also like this look and hope I can see this next time. But I hate the "fight" with little yellow resizing dots. I am using the following changeset and I hope you found a good solution for this. Steffen

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RE: A new default look for Squeak, revisited
by Torsten.Bergmann＠phaidros.com 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Hi Henryk, I like your look too. I agree with Dwight that translucent menus are bad to read. Translucent windows while dragging is a good idea. Would be nice if you could include the buttons from my look (I like them more than the normal X and O and they are closer to the ones used in MVC). There should be a preference for having the buttons on the right side. Maybe we can also make gradient filled title bars standard or a preference. I've updated the Squeak Screenshot page with pictures/changesets: http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/683 Torsten -----Original Message----- From: aaron [mailto:reic0024@d.umn.edu] Sent: Freitag, 30. Juni 2000 04:34 To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: A new default look for Squeak, revisited I must say that I really do like this look, and would like to see it, if not as the new default look, and optional file-in. Clean, asthetically pleasing. I agree with toning down the translucency. I love look of it, but I can notice the crappy effects of translucency, even on my G4/400. Good work! Aaron ----- "Steve Jobs said two years ago that X is brain-damaged and it will be gone in two years. He was half right." -- Dennis Ritchie ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com

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Re: Belling the cat of complexity (was: Ship it with Squeak)
by G�ran Hultgren 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Hi all! --- Stephan Rudlof <sr(a)evolgo.de> wrote: [SNIP] > > Later, after this stable base existed, one could add all sorts of bells > > and whistles -- in a modular fashion. > > What about realizing this building from scratch by using namespaces > (Environments, btw: What's their status?): > - building a sub system *inside* Squeak in its own namespace named e.g. > 'IndustrialStrength', > - modularizing it by creating sub-namespaces, > - move Classes/methods one after each other from the fat to > 'IndustrialStrength'. > > So we would develop a stable base *inside* the more experimental fat > one, with all the tools currently available in the standard Squeak. > The communication inside the community would be better, because there > wouldn't be a decoupling of both developments. This sounds like a VERY good idea. This will perhaps even develop an "urge" for people to bring their code up to the standard so that it can be moved into this more "sacred" place in Squeakland. And developers that are roaming around the image looking for useful stuff will probably start to favor the codebase in "IndustrialStrength" especially if they are bulding stuff for deployment etc. I like it. It sounds very natural to me. It almost sounds like mimicking the way the GC works! :-) :-) > The main problems - which I see here - would have a big social > component, namely to manage the processes of > - the definition of the interfaces, > - the determination of the stability of different modules, > - definition of responsibilities: > - for groups, > - for persons? Perhaps there could be a "halfwayhouse" where code can be added by "anyone", probably as a result from an informal interestpoll on the mailinglist, and then later moved into IndustrialStrength after a period of time and testing? And how does this idea of yours stand up in regard to the purposes of the different releases (2.7/8/9 etc.)? regards, G�ran ===== G�ran Hultgren, goran.hultgren(a)bluefish.se icq#:6136722, GSM: +46 709 472152, http://www.bluefish.se "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." -- Gandhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: ANSI draft in PDF format?
by Lex Spoon 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Cool! Dwight Hughes has also generated a version with a newer version of Word, and the new version has at index and a hyperlinked table of contents--imagine, the technology of the 70's, available today! Ahem. Anyway, I've posted the indexed version and updated the link on the "Papers and Documents" page to point to it. Also, I mentioned the link on comp.lang.smalltalk; hopefully our swiki doesn't get killed! :) Thanks to everyone, -Lex Stephan Rudlof <sr(a)evolgo.de> wrote: > Bijan Parsia wrote: > > > > I'm sure enough to be willing to do it myself without further > > investigation. (afaIoact=as far as I or anyone can tell). No recinding of > > distributability was issued, and the draft was freely circulated, remains > > on a public FTP server, etc. > > > > I think it's a safe bet. > > Ok, here it is: > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/400 > . > > Curiously downloading the pdf-version hasn't worked for me, it just > stopped a few percent before finishing (Netscape stalled) and finished > then with removing the downloaded file; any idea? > > So I have uploaded a gzipped pdf-version now: Downloading, gunzip'ing > and acroread'ing has worked now. > > Many megs have flown through the net for these checks... > > Greetings, > > Stephan > > > > > Cheers, > > Bijan. > > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Stephan Rudlof wrote: > > > > > Bijan Parsia wrote: > > > > > > > > He's not asking for the spec, but for the *draft* spec which *is*, > > > > afaIoact, freely distributible. > > > > > > Are you sure? If so, I have an acroread'able version standard_v1_9.PDF, > > > which I could try to upload onto the Swiki... > > > > > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > > The draft spec contains, afaik, no omissions or alterations, but adds > > > > "rationales" at varoius places, making it an interesting document in its > > > > own right. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bijan Parsia. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Eric Arseneau wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have a copy., but the problem is that I had to pay 15$ for it. So I'm not > > > > > sure it can or should be posted anywhere. If there is anything specific you > > > > > need you can ask. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Lex Spoon [mailto:lex@cc.gatech.edu] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:30 PM > > > > > > To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > > > > > > Subject: ANSI draft in PDF format? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a copy of the ANSI draft in PDF format? My copy is on > > > > > > the other end of the continent on a computer that's turned off :( > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone should post the PDF somewhere, and I'll try and find a place for > > > > > > it if I can. The so-called RTF version seems to only be usable from > > > > > > Microsoft Word, because the file has undocumented extensions in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Unknown Protocol in ANSI draft ?
by Brent Pinkney 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Hi, Does anones copy of the draft have a definition for the <abstractDictionary factory protocol> I can only see a reference to it in section 5.7.22 where: 5.7.22 Protocol: <IdentityDictionary factory> Conforms To <abstractDictionary factory> Thanks Brent

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Re: New Web Browser
by Luciano Notarfrancesco 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

--- Jon Hylands <Jon(a)huv.com> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:30:28 -0500, Jon Hylands > <Jon(a)huv.com> wrote: > > Okay, I'm in there looking at TextMorph right now. > > Is there a newer version of Squeak (2.8, 2.9?) that > has this (embedded > sub-morphs) in it? This is one of the fundamental > parts of the web browser, > and if someone else has already done this, then > there's not much point in > replicating all that work... > It certainly has this embeded submorphs capability in 2.8, and I think it has been there for a while. Take a look at Scamper (the rendered web page in Scamper is a TextMorph). It uses some kind of TextAttribute to embed morphs in the text. Peace, Luciano.- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: A new default look for Squeak, revisited
by aaron 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

I must say that I really do like this look, and would like to see it, if not as the new default look, and optional file-in. Clean, asthetically pleasing. I agree with toning down the translucency. I love look of it, but I can notice the crappy effects of translucency, even on my G4/400. Good work! Aaron ----- "Steve Jobs said two years ago that X is brain-damaged and it will be gone in two years. He was half right." -- Dennis Ritchie ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com

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[Q] Using FFI to call standard Windows dialogs
by Norton, Chris 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Hi Folks. I was experimenting with FFI on my Windows NT box and I kept crashing my image (virtual memory dumps). Can anybody help me with this call? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Win32Shell>> shellPrintDialog: aHWND "Win32Shell new shellPrintDialog: Win32Window getFocus" <apicall: bool 'PrintDlgA' (Win32Window) module: 'comdlg32.dll'> ^self externalCallFailed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm trying to launch the print dialog. Thanks for your thoughts! ---==> Chris PS> And my next question is, of course, how do I get a document to print once I've got the dialog launching from Squeak (e.g. how do I provide the dialog with a document to print?)...

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Re: [ENH] local vs. UTC time
by Lex Spoon 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Oh yeah, we may as well go with ANSI. The plugin is extremely easy to use--it returns a 10-element array, with 5 elements each for UTC and local date/time. Should one of us merge this stuff with your ANSI code? I'm not sure I have the right tools to mess with these changesets you have, but I'll update them if you point me in the right direction. Note that we really do need a new time primitive; currently you can only get local time or UTC, and not both. Everybody's trick is to just stick the UTC offset in a global variable, but this approach doesn't work when either: 1. daylight savings kicks in. 2. an image gets shipped to somewhere in a different time zone. -Lex "R. A. Harmon" <harmonra(a)webname.com> wrote: > At 05:05 PM 6/28/00 -700, "lex spoon" <lex(a)cc.gatech.edu> wrote: > >Here are a pair of changesets that let Squeak discern local vs. UTC > >time. It adds one primitive, which returns both the local time and UTC > >in parallel. Squeak-level code can then interpret this information as > >needed. > > > >The first changeset defines the primitive and a plugin that implements > >it. It should be fairly portable, but I've only tried it on Linux. The > >second changeset updates the Time class to use the new plugin when its > >present, and it updates Celeste to make date stamps with it. > > > >How does this look to people? It seems to allow the following basic > >time functions, with a minimum of fuss: > > > > 1. Return a UTC time precise to the second. This is useful when > >Squeak's are talking to each other from different places in the world. > >It's also precisely what's needed for building a proper HTTP cache. > > > > 2. Return a local time precise to the second. This is useful for clock > >and calender displays. > > > > 3. Return a local time plus a delta from UTC. This is what email is > >happiest with. > > > > > > > >Is anything critical missing? What else would people like to be able to > >do with time? If this looks good, let's put it in the main system. > > I think the ANSI Date And Time protocol messages should do the above. I've > implemented in Squeak it along with all the ANSI messages except for Stream > and FileStream protocols and maybe a couple Collection protocol messages. > > I've reworked the Camp Smalltalk ANSI tests for Squeak released by Ralph E. > Johnson for my ANSI implementation. The reworked version, > ANSIChgSeta02r01Sqkv02r07.ZIP, containing Squeak ANSI messages, tests, and > support is now available at my web page: > > http://homepage2.rconnect.com/raharmon/ > > > I think Squeak Central is looking at incorporating the ANSI messages in the > standard release. I think it might be a more portable and easier route to > use the ANSI messages for doing the time stuff above. > > > > > -- > Richard A. Harmon "The only good zombie is a dead zombie" > harmonra(a)webname.com E. G. McCarthy > Spencer, Iowa

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