About insulting developers (Was: Re: [Vm-dev] VM Maker: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz)
On 17 May 2011 10:00, Andreas Raab andreas.raab@gmx.de wrote:
On 5/17/2011 9:27, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 16 May 2011 17:16, Andreas Raabandreas.raab@gmx.de wrote:
On 5/16/2011 12:34, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote:
Igor Stasenko uploaded a new version of CMakeVMMaker to project VM Maker: http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker/CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz
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Name: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104 Author: StasenkoIgor Time: 16 May 2011, 10:33:56 am UUID: 68959e6f-18b1-304c-a3de-2b84a1f2c93b Ancestors: CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.103
workaround the MultiByteCrapStream, which converting line endings twice on windows.
Do us all a favor and leave out these derogatory comments. They are *not* helpful.
:) Well, i can't resist putting it like that, because i lost like 1 hour trying to understand why it was broken again.
I understand what you mean but the thing you need to learn is that there's a big difference between a muttered curse and a public comment. A check-in comment that is being reposted in archived mailing lists is something that people read. Treating your fellow developers without respect is a great way of ensuring difficult relationships in the future. Nobody likes being called names, or derogatory comments about their code, not you, not me, not anyone. There is no reason to call MultiByteFileStream MultiByteCrapStream other than an intentional insult to the original author(s). Insulting people in a public forum is a great way to destroy relationships. Just ask your boss.
I disagree. I do respect the people's energy which they spent implementing all this stuff, because apparently i'm using it every day and it works (most of the times ;).
Such strong wording was to point on problem & amount of pain i had with it, but again, nothing to do with my attitude towards author(s) who implemented it. I separating these things and i hope others too.
It was i, who were insulted, offended and lost time dealing with this code. So why i can't express myself appropriately to situation? :)
Because i tend to say and hear truth about the quality of code (including my own , of course). Seriously, why we should fear to offend someone by calling a crap what is crap?
If next day, someone would call my code crap, my first reaction will be to ask - why, where and how to improve that. But not to put that person in black list. Because i value criticism. It helps you to get higher, above your own limits :)
Hi Igor,
I certainly understand where you are coming from. Criticism is very important. Constructive comments in the code make sense even if they are a bit critical of the original implementation or instructive about why your change is better.
Comments like MultiByteCrapStream is ignorant, and it really makes you look childish. It reflects badly on you. Andreas is right, it would also get you fired. Please feel free to write: "this is badly broken, I wasted a hole day trying to fix it" or some other warning to others that might step in the same mess you stepped in but please do it in a professional way that reflects well on you, the community, the original author and the people that will read your official comment.
Respectfully yours,
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: vm-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:vm-dev- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:30 AM To: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion Subject: About insulting developers (Was: Re: [Vm-dev] VM Maker: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz)
On 17 May 2011 10:00, Andreas Raab andreas.raab@gmx.de wrote:
On 5/17/2011 9:27, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 16 May 2011 17:16, Andreas Raabandreas.raab@gmx.de wrote:
On 5/16/2011 12:34, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org
wrote:
Igor Stasenko uploaded a new version of CMakeVMMaker to project
VM
StasenkoIgor.104.m
cz
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Name: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104 Author: StasenkoIgor Time: 16 May 2011, 10:33:56 am UUID: 68959e6f-18b1-304c-a3de-2b84a1f2c93b Ancestors: CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.103
workaround the MultiByteCrapStream, which converting line endings twice on windows.
Do us all a favor and leave out these derogatory comments. They are *not* helpful.
:) Well, i can't resist putting it like that, because i lost like 1 hour trying to understand why it was broken again.
I understand what you mean but the thing you need to learn is that there's a big difference between a muttered curse and a public comment. A check-in comment that is being reposted in archived mailing lists is something that people read. Treating your fellow developers without respect is a great way of ensuring difficult relationships in the future. Nobody likes being called names, or derogatory comments
about their code, not you, not me, not anyone.
There is no reason to call MultiByteFileStream MultiByteCrapStream other than an intentional insult to the original author(s). Insulting people in a public forum is a great way to destroy relationships. Just ask
your boss.
I disagree. I do respect the people's energy which they spent implementing all this stuff, because apparently i'm using it every day and it works (most of the times ;).
Such strong wording was to point on problem & amount of pain i had with it, but again, nothing to do with my attitude towards author(s) who implemented it. I separating these things and i hope others too.
It was i, who were insulted, offended and lost time dealing with this code. So why i can't express myself appropriately to situation? :)
Because i tend to say and hear truth about the quality of code (including my own , of course). Seriously, why we should fear to offend someone by calling a crap what is crap?
If next day, someone would call my code crap, my first reaction will be to ask
- why, where and how to improve that. But not to put that person in black
list. Because i value criticism. It helps you to get higher, above your own limits :)
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
On 17 May 2011 13:26, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Hi Igor,
I certainly understand where you are coming from. Criticism is very important. Constructive comments in the code make sense even if they are a bit critical of the original implementation or instructive about why your change is better.
Comments like MultiByteCrapStream is ignorant, and it really makes you look childish. It reflects badly on you. Andreas is right, it would also get you fired. Please feel free to write: "this is badly broken, I wasted a hole day trying to fix it" or some other warning to others that might step in the same mess you stepped in but please do it in a professional way that reflects well on you, the community, the original author and the people that will read your official comment.
Okay, okay. I got it. But anyways, please don't treat me like a some kind of politican, who should always watch what he says. I like to have some fun sometimes. :)
Respectfully yours,
Ron Teitelbaum
Hi Igor,
You already know that I think you are terrific. I have a lot of respect for you and your work. I agree with having fun too.
Thanks for understanding!!
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: vm-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:vm-dev- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:59 AM To: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion Subject: Re: About insulting developers (Was: Re: [Vm-dev] VM Maker: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz)
On 17 May 2011 13:26, Ron Teitelbaum ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Hi Igor,
I certainly understand where you are coming from. Criticism is very
important. Constructive comments in the code make sense even if they are a bit critical of the original implementation or instructive about why your change is better.
Comments like MultiByteCrapStream is ignorant, and it really makes you
look childish. It reflects badly on you. Andreas is right, it would also get you fired. Please feel free to write: "this is badly broken, I wasted a hole day trying to fix it" or some other warning to others that might step in the same mess you stepped in but please do it in a professional way that reflects well on you, the community, the original author and the people that will read your official comment.
Okay, okay. I got it. But anyways, please don't treat me like a some kind of politican, who should always watch what he says. I like to have some fun sometimes. :)
Respectfully yours,
Ron Teitelbaum
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
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