Hi all,
I would like to propose that Cryptography be included as part of the image, by default. As it stands now it is in the Cryptography repository, which most don't seem to know about or there are one-off copies that are developed separately. David Shaffer has been stewarding a reintegration of these forks and ensuring the tests pass. Everyone should be able to take advantage of the algorithms provided by the Cryptography package.
Along the same lines, it would be a great help for the vm providers to include the CryptographyPlugins when they build a new vm. I believe there are 3 plugins and they really ought to be build internally, since they are unchanging.
I would like to hear what others think of the possibility of making this change.
Thank you, Rob
Seems like a good Community Supported Package.
On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:07 AM, "Rob Withers" reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to propose that Cryptography be included as part of the image, by default. As it stands now it is in the Cryptography repository, which most don't seem to know about or there are one-off copies that are developed separately. David Shaffer has been stewarding a reintegration of these forks and ensuring the tests pass. Everyone should be able to take advantage of the algorithms provided by the Cryptography package.
Along the same lines, it would be a great help for the vm providers to include the CryptographyPlugins when they build a new vm. I believe there are 3 plugins and they really ought to be build internally, since they are unchanging.
I would like to hear what others think of the possibility of making this change.
Thank you, Rob
Given that cryptography still faces export restrictions, would this cause problems for OSS distributions that want to include Squeak?
Also I'm not sure that people who want to minimize their image size would benefit. Why can't Cryptography be easily loaded by people who need it?
Steve
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Rob Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to propose that Cryptography be included as part of the image, by default. As it stands now it is in the Cryptography repository, which most don't seem to know about or there are one-off copies that are developed separately. David Shaffer has been stewarding a reintegration of these forks and ensuring the tests pass. Everyone should be able to take advantage of the algorithms provided by the Cryptography package.
Along the same lines, it would be a great help for the vm providers to include the CryptographyPlugins when they build a new vm. I believe there are 3 plugins and they really ought to be build internally, since they are unchanging.
I would like to hear what others think of the possibility of making this change.
Thank you, Rob
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Wart" steve@wart.ca Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:50 PM To: "Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion" vm-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: "Squeak Crypto" cryptography@lists.squeakfoundation.org; "Squeak Dev" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Vm-dev] Cryptography in the main image and Plugins build for theVMs
Given that cryptography still faces export restrictions, would this cause problems for OSS distributions that want to include Squeak?
I am not familiar with which pieces of Cryptography are export restricted and which are not. According to the Java SDK Crypto docs (http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E17476_01/javase/1.4.2/docs/guide/securit...) DSA, MD5 and SHA-1 are at least distributable. This obviously reduces the attractiveness of including Crypto in the image, were we to have to split the package into exportable and non-exportable packages.
Also I'm not sure that people who want to minimize their image size would benefit. Why can't Cryptography be easily loaded by people who need it?
People may not know where it resides. It is not a part of the trunk. It is in a SqueakSource repository.
Thanks, Rob
Steve
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Rob Withers reefedjib@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to propose that Cryptography be included as part of the image, by default. As it stands now it is in the Cryptography repository, which most don't seem to know about or there are one-off copies that are developed separately. David Shaffer has been stewarding a reintegration of these forks and ensuring the tests pass. Everyone should be able to take advantage of the algorithms provided by the Cryptography package.
Along the same lines, it would be a great help for the vm providers to include the CryptographyPlugins when they build a new vm. I believe there are 3 plugins and they really ought to be build internally, since they are unchanging.
I would like to hear what others think of the possibility of making this change.
Thank you, Rob
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 05:07:29AM -0400, Rob Withers wrote:
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Along the same lines, it would be a great help for the vm providers to include the CryptographyPlugins when they build a new vm. I believe there are 3 plugins and they really ought to be build internally, since they are unchanging.
Hi Rob,
With respect to the plugins (and I know this was discussed in earlier emails) can you please provide a link to the SqueakSource repository for the three plugins? We can add this to the VMMaker configuration map and to ConfigurationOfVMMaker so they will be easily loaded into VM development images.
Assuming no legal issues, I would expect that the plugins can be included in future VM builds without difficulty (at the discretion of the platform maintainers of course). BTW, don't worry about internal versus external, that's a packaging issue, and if there is any concern about legal issues (real or imagined) it will probably be best to make them external modules for the benefit of folks who may be concerned about such things.
Thanks, Dave
-------------------------------------------------- From: "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:26 PM To: "Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion" vm-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: "Squeak Crypto" cryptography@lists.squeakfoundation.org; "Squeak Dev" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Vm-dev] Cryptography in the main image and Plugins build for theVMs
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 05:07:29AM -0400, Rob Withers wrote:
<snip>
Along the same lines, it would be a great help for the vm providers to include the CryptographyPlugins when they build a new vm. I believe there are 3 plugins and they really ought to be build internally, since they are unchanging.
Hi Rob,
With respect to the plugins (and I know this was discussed in earlier emails) can you please provide a link to the SqueakSource repository for the three plugins? We can add this to the VMMaker configuration map and to ConfigurationOfVMMaker so they will be easily loaded into VM development images.
Assuming no legal issues, I would expect that the plugins can be included in future VM builds without difficulty (at the discretion of the platform maintainers of course). BTW, don't worry about internal versus external, that's a packaging issue, and if there is any concern about legal issues (real or imagined) it will probably be best to make them external modules for the benefit of folks who may be concerned about such things.
Thanks, Dave
Hi Dave,
Thanks, this would be great! The repository containing the Crypto plugins is:
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography' user: '' password: ''
The package is CryptographyPlugins, newly created.
There are 4 plugins: DESPlugin, DSAPlugin, MD5Plugin, and SHA256Plugin. Under the relaxation in export restrictions in 2000, all of these are exportable.
Thanks, Rob
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