Vm-dev February 2008

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Re: Want to start using/porting HydraVM
by Igor Stasenko 06 Feb '08

06 Feb '08

Hello Matthew! Sorry, i wasn't subscribed to this list. I will gladly to help you with developing unix port. >Hi. I'm working on a project at my school to make squeak run on >a Cell Broadband Engine, and HydraVM seems the best way to do >that. Currently, the easiest/simplest way I see to do that is >to: >1. Port HydraVM to Linux >2. Get it running on a Cell >3. Modify it so the sub-interpreters run in a SPU thread rather > than a PPU thread >4. Add a plugin for Cell's Memory Flow Controller to Craig's > Flow stream library >5. Get a tiny spoon image started on each SPU >Unfortunately, I'm totally new to VM development, and don't know >a good way to get started. Currently, I don't have a PS3, only a >Cell emulator, and I don't want to figure out how to adapt >Squeak to cross-compile onto it, as it won't be neccessary in >the long term. So: >What is the best way to get started finding my way around the >VM, and figuring out what modifications you made for Hydra? Are >there specific C files I should be looking at, or is it mostly >changes made within VMMaker? I've never figured out how to >successfully build a VM using VMMaker, I've only been able to >use the pre-generated sources. >Sorry for the overly generic questions. I hope to have more >specific ones soon! Thanks for your work! First, make your main interpreter compile ok. Then, step by step compile platform sources. This is mostly dumb procedure by making little changes over the code. But in some cases, of course, it require some deep thought :) As for VMMaker: select an empty directory where VMMaker should put all generated sources. This is just to get confused of what sources is generated and what is manually crafted. After a couple of days, i think you'll study directory structure, so you will know where to look for fixing errors in platform/generated sources. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

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Squeak Board Member Responsibilities (was: [Newbies] Squeak Foundation Election 2008 coming up!)
by Ron Teitelbaum 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

Hi Richard, I'd be happy to summarize the responsibilities of the Squeak Foundation board members. The board members are elected by the community to help the community address issues. The issues depend on what the community wants done but more specifically what the elected board members are capable of accomplishing, given their abilities some but mostly because of limited time to devote to projects. There are no requirements for any activity or participation, nor are there currently any ways to remove board members, or even to replace board members that resign. We elect new members yearly. We are in the process of making a legal entity for the board. When that happens, the board will be bound by more formal rules relating to not-for-profit entities. But the ultimate responsibilities for that will be the Software Freedom Foundation Conservancy who will have the ultimate say, which protects board members. At that time I believe we do have a way to replace board members that resign. We are also in the process of re-licensing Squeak, with the help of Viewpoints Research Institute www.vpri.org . The board and the community are participating in that to help accomplish this task. If you received an agreement from VPRI and haven't sent it in please take a moment and do it!! We are also in the process of figuring out if a Technical Board should be formed that would have more responsibilities to lead the development of Squeak and be the final arbitrator of where we go technically, but this was only suggested by some current board members but hasn't happened yet. The current board meets on a monthly basis by IRC (so no travel required). They communicate also by a private email list. There was talk about allowing prior board members continued access to that list with no voting rights for advice (a board member emeritus status), but I'm not sure if that suggestion was ever followed up on. The previous board would post the notes of the meetings. This one did not or did not do it very often. There are some other responsibilities to keep the community running, servers, administrators, fund raising, groups responsible for code like network, VM, kernel ... and a number of volunteers that help keep things going. Those groups are semi-autonomous, because they are volunteers and because many of those groups existed before there was a board. I would think that they would consult with and heed the advice of the board if something warranted it. Mostly they keep going because they kept going in the past and because of some very talented, hard working and dedicated individuals. Now some disclaimers; I am not a lawyer, nor am I a board member, so take all this with a gain of salt. If I misstated anything I'm sure others will correct me, and if I left anything out please feel free to add to this summary of responsibilities. I just did this off the top of my head. Don't for get to register with squeak people http://people.squeakfoundation.org get certified and VOTE!! If you are planning to run for the board please announce your candidacy to squeak-dev by Feb 22, 2008. If you need to have your password changed on squeak people email: box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org . Happy Squeaking! Ron Teitelbaum Squeak Elections Team Member > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Karpinski > > Maybe everybody knows, but could you summarize the duties and the > activities of board members so that people could tell easily whether > this would be an honor they would like to carry for a year? For > example, does board membership require or encourage international > travel or other activities involving serious time and financial > commitments? And what effect do board decisions have, anyway? > > Dick Karpinski, a definite non-candidate > > On 2008, Feb 5, , at 4:00, beginners- > request(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote: > > > A year has passed (oh, so quickly) and it is time to reflect a bit and > > ramp up your democratic rights here in Squeak country! Every year we > > elect the Squeakfoundation Board (http://www.squeak.org/Foundation) > > consisting of seven members from our community. > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners

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RE: [Elections] Proposed ANN email about election
by Ron Teitelbaum 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

Ok see we are off to a great start!!! That was really silly. Sorry about that! ***blush*** Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Teitelbaum [mailto:Ron@USMedRec.com] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:10 PM > To: 'goran(a)krampe.se'; 'Ken Causey'; > 'elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org' > Cc: 'The general-purpose Squeak developers list'; > 'elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org'; 'A friendly place to get answers > to even the most basic questionsabout Squeak.'; 'Seaside - general > discussion'; 'croquet-user(a)duke.edu'; 'squeakland(a)squeakland.org'; > 'announcements(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org'; 'glorp- > development(a)lists.sourceforge.net'; 'Squeak Virtual Machine Development > Discussion' > Subject: RE: [Elections] Proposed ANN email about election > > Hi Göran, > > Looks great! Feel free to send it as soon as possible. > > I normally send these announcements to quite a few lists > > squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; > elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; > beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > ; squeakland(a)squeakland.org ; announcements(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; > glorp-development(a)lists.sourceforge.net ; vm- > dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > Feel free to include others or leave out any that you think are not > necessary. > > Nice job!! > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elections-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:elections- > > bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of goran(a)krampe.se > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:54 PM > > To: elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > Subject: Re: [Elections] Proposed ANN email about election > > > > Final try, fixed indentations (Celeste wraps) and much/many: > > > > ------------ > > Subject: Squeak Foundation Election 2008 coming up! > > > > Dear Squeakers, > > > > A year has passed (oh, so quickly) and it is time to reflect a bit and > > ramp up your democratic rights here in Squeak country! Every year we > > elect the Squeakfoundation Board (http://www.squeak.org/Foundation) > > consisting of seven members from our community. > > > > This year I have stepped up as the election leader of 2008 relieving > > Daniel Vainsencher of this duty (thank you Daniel for earlier > > elections!) and hope to lead us through it without too many problems - > > after all, we know how this works by now. :) > > > > The schedule and process is as follows, only slightly adjusted from > > earlier years: > > > > Now through 22nd February (circa 18 days): Nominations of board members > > Candidates should nominate themselves on the squeak-dev mailing > > list. > > Or if you nominate someone else, make sure that person really wants > > to run. :) > > > > 22nd February to 29th February: Campaigning period > > During this period the candidates should ideally present themselves > > and the community can ask questions. We will probably organise some > > form of structured Q&A activity - details to follow soon. > > > > 1st march 6PM (18.00) UTC: Online election starts using the CIVS system > > The voting period is one week long and ballots are sent out via > > email. > > Only Squeakers rated as Apprentice (or higher) on > > people.squeakfoundation.org are eligible to vote - make sure your > > email address is up to date there!!! > > > > 8th march 6PM (18.00) UTC: Online election ends > > Results will be announced as soon as possible on the 8th or 9th. > > > > > > IMPORTANT: > > > > In order to vote - be sure to confirm that you have an account on > > people.squeakfoundation.org and that your email address is up to date. > > If you are not already registered on the site do so as soon as > > possible. Include information about your participation in the Squeak > > community to aid everyone in determining your appropriate certification. > > If you have an account but cannot access it any longer please email > > box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org and specify your account name. > > When the voting period starts all voters will receive an email with > > instructions and a link to the voting website. > > > > If there are any further questions, just reply and I will follow up on > > squeak-dev. More information and details will follow and everything > > about the election can be tracked here: > > > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6025 > > > > regards, Göran Krampe on behalf of the Election Team > > _______________________________________________ > > Elections mailing list > > Elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/elections

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RE: [Elections] Proposed ANN email about election
by Ron Teitelbaum 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

Hi Göran, Looks great! Feel free to send it as soon as possible. I normally send these announcements to quite a few lists squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; squeakland(a)squeakland.org ; announcements(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org ; glorp-development(a)lists.sourceforge.net ; vm-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Feel free to include others or leave out any that you think are not necessary. Nice job!! Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: elections-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:elections- > bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of goran(a)krampe.se > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:54 PM > To: elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [Elections] Proposed ANN email about election > > Final try, fixed indentations (Celeste wraps) and much/many: > > ------------ > Subject: Squeak Foundation Election 2008 coming up! > > Dear Squeakers, > > A year has passed (oh, so quickly) and it is time to reflect a bit and > ramp up your democratic rights here in Squeak country! Every year we > elect the Squeakfoundation Board (http://www.squeak.org/Foundation) > consisting of seven members from our community. > > This year I have stepped up as the election leader of 2008 relieving > Daniel Vainsencher of this duty (thank you Daniel for earlier > elections!) and hope to lead us through it without too many problems - > after all, we know how this works by now. :) > > The schedule and process is as follows, only slightly adjusted from > earlier years: > > Now through 22nd February (circa 18 days): Nominations of board members > Candidates should nominate themselves on the squeak-dev mailing > list. > Or if you nominate someone else, make sure that person really wants > to run. :) > > 22nd February to 29th February: Campaigning period > During this period the candidates should ideally present themselves > and the community can ask questions. We will probably organise some > form of structured Q&A activity - details to follow soon. > > 1st march 6PM (18.00) UTC: Online election starts using the CIVS system > The voting period is one week long and ballots are sent out via > email. > Only Squeakers rated as Apprentice (or higher) on > people.squeakfoundation.org are eligible to vote - make sure your > email address is up to date there!!! > > 8th march 6PM (18.00) UTC: Online election ends > Results will be announced as soon as possible on the 8th or 9th. > > > IMPORTANT: > > In order to vote - be sure to confirm that you have an account on > people.squeakfoundation.org and that your email address is up to date. > If you are not already registered on the site do so as soon as > possible. Include information about your participation in the Squeak > community to aid everyone in determining your appropriate certification. > If you have an account but cannot access it any longer please email > box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org and specify your account name. > When the voting period starts all voters will receive an email with > instructions and a link to the voting website. > > If there are any further questions, just reply and I will follow up on > squeak-dev. More information and details will follow and everything > about the election can be tracked here: > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6025 > > regards, Göran Krampe on behalf of the Election Team > _______________________________________________ > Elections mailing list > Elections(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/elections

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Want to start using/porting HydraVM
by Matthew Fulmer 02 Feb '08

02 Feb '08

Hi. I'm working on a project at my school to make squeak run on a Cell Broadband Engine, and HydraVM seems the best way to do that. Currently, the easiest/simplest way I see to do that is to: 1. Port HydraVM to Linux 2. Get it running on a Cell 3. Modify it so the sub-interpreters run in a SPU thread rather than a PPU thread 4. Add a plugin for Cell's Memory Flow Controller to Craig's Flow stream library 5. Get a tiny spoon image started on each SPU Unfortunately, I'm totally new to VM development, and don't know a good way to get started. Currently, I don't have a PS3, only a Cell emulator, and I don't want to figure out how to adapt Squeak to cross-compile onto it, as it won't be neccessary in the long term. So: What is the best way to get started finding my way around the VM, and figuring out what modifications you made for Hydra? Are there specific C files I should be looking at, or is it mostly changes made within VMMaker? I've never figured out how to successfully build a VM using VMMaker, I've only been able to use the pre-generated sources. Sorry for the overly generic questions. I hope to have more specific ones soon! Thanks for your work! -- Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/ Help improve Squeak Documentation: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/808

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