Squeak-dev September 2006

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Re-2: SqueakMap issues (was Re: Squeak map colours)
by Frank Urbach 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Hi Lex, I run time to time in the same trouble, written in a workspace: SMSqueakMap bootStrap helps. Not so nice but .. it works for me. Cheers, Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: SqueakMap issues (was Re: Squeak map colours) (27-Sep-2006 9:11) From: Lex Spoon <lex(a)cc.gatech.edu> To: frank.urbach(a)schmees.com > goran(a)krampe.se writes: > > Yes, this is an unfortunate situation that I need to go through. The > > problem is that after I introduced the server side cache and SHA > > checksumming apparently lots of releases either were non-available at > > the time I initially populated the cache (which lead to crap files in > > the server cache, and to make things worse - crappy checksums!) OR have > > been unavailable when releases have been registered. I think. > > I run into this as well if SqueakMap downloads while the network is > unavailable. It saves to the file an error message, and so of course > its checksum is wrong. So, the tool could be more careful about > checking that the HTTP request worked, before saving the file. > > Recursive delete on the SqueakMap directories works fine in this case. > You can then restart SqueakMap and it will repopulate its directories > from the network. > > I also ran into this when I tried to update the URL of a released > SqueakMap version. Maybe this is more in the line of what you discuss > with bad cached information on the server. I ended up bumping the > version number even though the actual file content had not changed. > > > -Lex > >

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Squeak 3.9 Kernel Image: Out of the box experience
by Matthias Berth 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Hello, I understood from reading this list that Squeak 3.9 gamma 7061 (Squeak 3.9 final) is intended as a basis for making more specialized, or "friendlier" images (e.g. for people with no prior Squeak experience). As such, the focus was more on getting a lot of changes incorporated than on providing a nice "out of the box" experience. AFAICT, the building of other, more specalized images (squeak-dev, squeak-fun, maybe squeak-web?) based on the kernel image was proposed. I think people will always download the most recent version, so for them 7061 (the kernel image) is "the current Squeak version". Somebody who downloads 3.9 final might be disappointed because it does not look so interesting. In order to avoid some of this, I propose putting in an explanation about: - what this is - where one can find more information - where one can find other images that might be more suitable I would do this as a simple additional workspace, with text like this: ********************** This is Squeak 3.9 (Kernel Image). It is intended for people who are already familiar with Squeak. Other Squeak editions (images), e.g for web development or for dynamic interactive media are available (see below) or in the process of being built. What is Squeak? ----------------------------------- [a few sentences, maybe copied from squeak.org] EToys - Dynamic Interactive Media ---------------------------------------- Audience: Children of all ages. - read about it [link] - play with it in this image [Explain how to activate flaps] - go to squeakland.org or ... Web Development -------------------- Audience: People who want to create web applications - [point to Seaside tutorial] - [point to developer image project that can be loaded here] - [point to seaside image] General Development ------------------------ Audience: Programmers (all levels), Squeak core developers - [point to Swiki documentation page(s)] - [point to Morphic tutorial] ********************** I see this as a quick fix to avoid disappointment from newcomers who download now. I'd be willing to produce the text, and integrate any comments from the list. What do you think? best regards Matthias

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Re: [OFFLIST][ANN] 7061 = Squeak 3.9 final
by stephane ducasse 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

I think that this email is worth getting public because some other people may have the same wishes/idea feedback....and need for clarification. > Hi Stephane, > > I personally dislike your heavy reactions on the mailinglist as in > the answer to Tim (or the hard discussion with Andreas about > ExtensiblePrimitives last month). > > Note that many people reading this list/or the archive and we should > stop getting too personal or negative in the postings. I'm not getting personal. I would be getting personal this would be idiot. and I would be much much harsher than that and idiot. But even tim need feedback when he is getting over... If you think that lukas was not nice let him know. I really enjoyed the discussion we got with andy and I can read it again to improve my taste on pragma design. > We all know about your investments into Squeak - but others invest > their time too (or have invested in the past) - even if this is > sometimes > less visible. This is not the point. - People were complaining about the fact that the release is not out, - then that this should not be final, - then after the did not even care to open an image over the last month. So at one point we should do something (see below) > We can assume Tim (and any person listening or posting > on the mailinglist) is interested in Squeak or related projects and > want > to move it forward. We all have a different views and wishes for the > future of Squeak... > I agree with Tim: the "first impression" of Sq3.8 Full image and it's > current successor RC1 for 3.9 is very different. While the "Welcome > workspace" in 3.8 explained a little bit about the Squeak software and > project itself and provided some small examples to whet one's appetite > - the workspaces in 3.9 is currently more or less a message from you > and Marcus what in particular has changed and how to contribute. Sure. This image is not a public one for non-dev. This is not the equivalent of Squeak3.8 welcome with the Squeak slow logo. This image is the basic image on top of which people can build the other image.s We always said that. I said that I would be responsible of the developer image but damien did it. Now we did not want to release a final image even for programmers that has not a simple welcome. We see it more like RC1 -> squeak-dev -> squeak-fun Now we will not do squeak-fun but I encourage people to build it. so why do not you or a group of people take the image and propose something. :) > So the questions here should be: > 1. how can we build a better first user experience in the current > RC image > to help people getting into Squeak. (provide a better welcome > workspace, ...) Propose something. > 2. Is it worth the investment to (re)build some included/ > downloadable morphic > projects for beginners. If so who is able to contribute. Some of them are terrible. Do you think that a ugly clock which we cannot move the edge is fun. So I would redo them from scratch and with new stuff :) > 3. can we explain what has changed under the hood so people see > Squeak is moving > forward without getting to detailed about included fixes/patches/ > mantis IDs/ > technical stuff Could be an idea. > 4. How can we update/migrate "add on" packages to Squeak > (especially since the > website tells that we "have 600 addon packages available for > single click download > and installation" Make a list of the broken one and contact the authors so that they fix them if they want. This would be a great initiative > 5. What kind of distributions will be provided on the download site > (BasicImage, > FullImage, DeveloperImage, ...) - can we have specific setups > (Mac, Windows installer) I would have RC1 - Squeak-Fun - Squeak-Dev And we need distribution in full (including the sources) and for Mac, windows > I can help to build a downloadable Setup.exe for Win32 using the > free NSIS installer - as soon as > a decision is made about the VM/image combination. I will also try > to help checking the > packages (as you have seen from my posting to Diego about ODBC) yes. So having a wiki page with the list of all the packages that need to be fixed would be great. Stef

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Mantis #3445 SMLoader Colours now has a fix.
by Peace Jerome 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Hi stef, Hi goran, I did some more mucking around an added to the report. Got far enough to propose a fix that will get the browser to get the right colour when its inited. http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=3445 Please also look at http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=4258 Which now includes a changeset to remove the extra package loader from the objects morph. Yours in service, --Jerome Peace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [BUG]UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #methodsFor:stamp:
by Frank Urbach 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

thats the same error like Petr Fischer reported on the beginner-list. In short: Install the FFI-Package. After this load the ODBC-Package. The ODBC-Package use the FFI-Package calling the ODBC-interface on your platform (Windows etc.) You need also on windows the file SqueakFFIPrims.dll in your directorie where the vm is. For other platforms I didn't know. Hope this helps Cheers, Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BUG]UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #methodsFor:stamp: (26-Sep-2006 17:29) From: bstjean(a)yahoo.com To: frank.urbach(a)schmees.com > Trying to install the package "ODBC for Squeak" with the SqueakMap > Package Loader in a clean 3.9g image end up in a DNU debugger. > > 26 September 2006 11:26:04 am > > VM: Win32 - a SmalltalkImage > Image: Squeak3.9gamma [latest update: #7061] > > SecurityManager state: > Restricted: false > FileAccess: true > SocketAccess: true > Working Dir C:\Program Files\Squeak 3.9 > Trusted Dir C:\Program Files\Squeak 3.9\Lamneth Consulting > Untrusted Dir C:\My Squeak\Lamneth Consulting > > UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #methodsFor:stamp: > Receiver: nil > Arguments and temporary variables: > aMessage: methodsFor: 'accessing' stamp: 'dgd 6/2/2002 00:33' > Receiver's instance variables: > nil > > UndefinedObject>>DoIt > Receiver: nil > Arguments and temporary variables: > > Receiver's instance variables: > nil > > Compiler>>evaluate:in:to:notifying:ifFail:logged: > Receiver: a Compiler > Arguments and temporary variables: > textOrStream: 'ExternalStructure methodsFor: ''accessing'' stamp: > ''dgd 6/2/200...etc... > aContext: nil > receiver: nil > aRequestor: nil > failBlock: [] in Compiler class>>evaluate:for:notifying:logged: {[^ > nil]} > logFlag: false > methodNode: DoIt > ^ ExternalStructure methodsFor: 'accessing' stamp: 'dgd 6/2/2...etc... > method: a CompiledMethod (891) > value: nil > Receiver's instance variables: > sourceStream: a ReadStream 'ExternalStructure methodsFor: > ''accessing'' stamp: ...etc... > requestor: nil > class: UndefinedObject > category: nil > context: nil > parserClass: Parser > > Compiler class>>evaluate:for:notifying:logged: > Receiver: Compiler > Arguments and temporary variables: > textOrString: 'ExternalStructure methodsFor: ''accessing'' stamp: > ''dgd 6/2/200...etc... > anObject: nil > aController: nil > logFlag: false > Receiver's instance variables: > superclass: Object > methodDict: a > MethodDictionary(#compile:in:classified:notifying:ifFail:->a > Comp...etc... > format: 142 > instanceVariables: #('sourceStream' 'requestor' 'class' 'category' > 'context' 'p...etc... > organization: ('error handling' notify: notify:at:) > ('public access' compile:in...etc... > subclasses: nil > name: #Compiler > classPool: a Dictionary() > sharedPools: nil > environment: a SystemDictionary(lots of globals) > category: #'Compiler-Kernel' > traitComposition: nil > localSelectors: nil > > > --- The full stack --- > UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #methodsFor:stamp: > UndefinedObject>>DoIt > Compiler>>evaluate:in:to:notifying:ifFail:logged: > Compiler class>>evaluate:for:notifying:logged: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Compiler class>>evaluate:for:logged: > Compiler class>>evaluate:logged: > [] in MultiByteFileStream(PositionableStream)>>fileInAnnouncing: {[val > := (self peekFor: $!) ifTrue: [(Compiler evaluate: self nextChunk > l...]} > BlockContext>>on:do: > [] in MultiByteFileStream(PositionableStream)>>fileInAnnouncing: {[:bar > | [self atEnd] whileFalse: [bar value: self position. self > skipS...]} > [] in ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction {[result := > workBlock value: progress]} > BlockContext>>ensure: > ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction > ProgressInitiationException>>defaultAction > UndefinedObject>>handleSignal: > MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: > MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: > ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal > ProgressInitiationException>>display:at:from:to:during: > ProgressInitiationException class>>display:at:from:to:during: > ByteString(String)>>displayProgressAt:from:to:during: > MultiByteFileStream(PositionableStream)>>fileInAnnouncing: > [] in > SMDefaultInstaller(SMSimpleInstaller)>>fileIntoChangeSetNamed:fromStream > : {[global newChanges: changeSet. stream fileInAnnouncing: 'Loading ' , > newNam...]} > BlockContext>>ensure: > SMDefaultInstaller(SMSimpleInstaller)>>fileIntoChangeSetNamed:fromStream > : > SMDefaultInstaller>>fileIn > SMDefaultInstaller>>install > [] in SMLoader>>installPackageRelease: {[(SMInstaller forPackageRelease: > aRelease) install. myRelease = self instal...]} > BlockContext>>ensure: > CursorWithMask(Cursor)>>showWhile: > [] in SMLoader>>installPackageRelease: {[Cursor wait showWhile: > [(SMInstaller forPackageRelease: aRelease) install...]} > BlockContext>>on:do: > SMLoader>>installPackageRelease: > SMLoader>>installPackageRelease > SMLoader>>perform:orSendTo: > [] in MenuItemMorph>>invokeWithEvent: {[(selArgCount := selector > numArgs) = 0 ifTrue: [target perform: selector] ...]} > BlockContext>>ensure: > CursorWithMask(Cursor)>>showWhile: > ....etc... >

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[Bug 3.9-7061]
by Steve Moffitt 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Hi All -- has anyone tried to put a self halt -- in a method -- in the new image -- you will then get a halt debugger window. If you press the debug button -- the halt debug window opens again and system freezes. I've tried this on several previous images using different VM's -- all do the dame. Steve

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Mantis #5123 - ToggleBreak broken in 3.9-7061
by tim Rowledge 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Problem description, proposed fix included. I think that a notable development facility being utterly broken probably should count as a release stopper. tim -- tim Rowledge; tim(a)rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- A gross ignoramus -- 144 times worse than an ordinary ignoramus.

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Re: FormCanvas>>transformBy:clippingTo:during:smoothing (How to followup)
by Hal Eden 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

thanks, jerome i wondered if that wasn't the right place. i have reported it to mantis, so we'll see where it goes from here. hal On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:29 AM, squeak-dev- request(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote: > From: Peace Jerome <peace_the_dreamer(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: FormCanvas>>transformBy:clippingTo:during:smoothing (How to > followup) > To: "squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org" > <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > Hi Hal, > > This is terrific. > > I've been look into things that make squeak slow and > been somewhat stumped on ways to repair it. This sound > like a major clue. > > The best place for this info would be to start a > Mantis report. (You can get a mantis acct freely and > easily). > > A good place to start is: > > http://bugs.impara.de/my_view_page.php > > Mantis provides a patient persistent way to focus on > an issue. > I use it to accumulate data on a problem until a > solution can be found. > It provides a place to alert the community to a > problem; > -accumulate facts and clues from the analysis; > -publish preposed solutions and get feedback; > -get solutions havested and included into the main > stream. >

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Using Mantis more efficiently by giving squeak-dev an account.
by Peace Jerome 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Hi all, Could someone please give squeak-dev an account on mantis? That way when bugs are solved or just complained of they could just be sent to squeak dev as reminders. Saves a lot of duplication of effort. It might be a good way to remind people to use Mantis. Accounts for the other lists that should get bug reports might be a good thing too. Yours in service -- Jerome Peace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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TextMorph not fitting bounds to contents on edit
by Simon Guest 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Hi, I have a TextMorph with autofit on (and wrap to bounds off). When I change the contents, by sending a contents: message, it recomputes the bounds correctly, changing size to fit the text. However, when I edit the text by clicking on the morph and typing, it does not recompute the bounds until triggered by some later unconnected event, such as a duplicate. I think there's something missing in the update processing for editing a TextMorph, but I can't quite see where it is. Any ideas? This is Squeak 3.9 gamma 7055. cheers, Simon

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