Squeak-dev January 2006

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REMINDER: Squeak Chat Wednesday January 4th 20:00 GMT
by Ken Causey 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Just a reminder that the next Squeak Chat will take place between 20:00 (8 PM) GMT Wednesday January 4th and 00:00 (Midnight) GMT Thursday January 5th, 2006. As usual we will meet in #squeak on irc.freenode.net. More information about the #squeak IRC channel can be found at http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/7.html This is a good time to contribute to the development of Squeak by participating in the Harvesting Process. One of the main ways to contribute is by Reviewing submitted fixes and enhancements. For information about the Harvesting Process see http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3152 If you have the time please attend and work toward the future of Squeak. The next seven chats are scheduled for 00:00 (12:00 AM) GMT Monday January 09, 2006 04:00 (04:00 AM) GMT Friday January 13, 2006 08:00 (08:00 AM) GMT Tuesday January 17, 2006 12:00 (12:00 PM) GMT Saturday January 21, 2006 16:00 (04:00 PM) GMT Wednesday January 25, 2006 20:00 (08:00 PM) GMT Sunday January 29, 2006 00:00 (12:00 AM) GMT Friday February 03, 2006

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[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes?
by Peace Jerome 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes? Hi Cees, You can have the credit for coming up with the idea first. And thanks very much for your attention to the issue. Brilliance I reserve for simplicity, clarity and focus. Tims note addressed just the one point, hit the nail on the head, and stopped once the nail was driven home. Thats brilliance. Now that you know the criteria, I look forward to the brilliance of your future posts. Cheers and joy, --Jerome Peace >Cees De Groot cdegroot at gmail.com wrote: >Mon Jan 2 10:36:49 CET 2006 > > >On 1/2/06, Peace Jerome <peace_the_dreamer at yahoo.com> wrote: >> So how do I find the team leader who does the signing >> off on that? >> >Good question. I think this might be a nice task for something like >SqueakMap. Or maybe we could setup <packageInfo>@squeak.org forwarding >to the appropriate email address. Come to think of it, this might be >TSTTCPW. > >For the matter at hand, however, there´s no team at the moment. So >you´ll have to take it up with the 3.9a release team. >and later Tue Jan 3 09:39:38 CET 2006 >Can I be brilliant as well? pleasepleaseplease? >(http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-January/099013.… >- I posted this brilliant idea EARLIER than well-known plagiarist Mr. Rowledge! ;-)). > > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

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Long closedown times
by Cowdery, Bob [UK] 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

I am starting to see very long closedown times (quite and save). A snapshot save is very quick (5 second or so) but quit and save takes over 4 minutes now on Windows. This seems to be getting longer on each session although I only have about the same number of objects active. There is no CPU activity except for a few spikes. It also seems to be much longer on Windows than on Linux but I note the Linux times are also increasing. Anyone any idea what would cause this behavior? Thanks Bob *** Confidentiality Notice *** Proprietary/Confidential Information belonging to CGI Group Inc. and its affiliates may be contained in this message. If you are not a recipient indicated or intended in this message (or responsible for delivery of this message to such person), or you think for any reason that this message may have been addressed to you in error, you may not use or copy or deliver this message to anyone else. In such case, you should destroy this message and are asked to notify the sender by reply email.

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Steward teams
by Cees De Groot 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

This is just a quick ramble before I go to sleep - interpret it as such :) I've been a bit worried about the lack of manpower in the Stewards teams. Not about the current absolute numbers, but the fact that with the current granularity, we'll need a lot more teams and thus people and I'm not sure where we are going to get them from. At the same time, I think we all agree that we should move away from the monolithic development mode where one team maintains everything. Therefore, I would like you to think about an intermediate way: cut the image in rough chunks, maybe four our five, and assign these to teams. "Core Class Library" (Kernel, Objects, Collections), "I/O" (Files, Network), "UI" (Morphic, MVC), "Development" (Tools and assorted stuff) is more or less along the lines I'm thinking of (again, I'm just throwing an idea at the list so I haven't checked whether this way of cutting covers everthing). Four teams are easier to staff than the 10-15 we'd need if we keep the package-level granularity. And when the teams grow big, they can always divide work internally, and maybe later on split up when it makes sense. Anyway, sounds truer to "divide and conquer" than what we're currently doing (which a pessimist might interpret as "chop and destroy" ;-)). G'night, Cees

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Greetings Squeakers...
by Russell N Hyer 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Just a quick note to say `hello', happy new year (and such) after having signed up to this list. Looking forward to learning more about Squeak. Russell Hyer -- Diploma: English Law with German University of Kent

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RE: (newbie) String / Array / ArrayedCollection
by Ramon Leon 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

> (String streamContents: [:stream | > 'A series of words to be shuffled' substrings shuffled > do: [:each | stream nextPutAll: each] > separatedBy: [stream space]]) > > - Bert - > That's still a lot of typing for what most other languages call join. On of the first extentions methods I added to Collection was this.. join: aString ^String streamContents: [:stream | self do: [:each | stream nextPutAll: each asString] separatedBy: [stream nextPutAll: aString]]

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Re: [Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes?
by Peace Jerome 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Hi Tim. +1. Brilliant as always. This would cut the gordian knot quite nicely. Cheers and joy -- Jerome Peace >[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes? >tim Rowledge tim at rowledge.org wrote: >Mon Jan 2 20:55:59 CET 2006 > > >Could we perhaps have some email aliases/group/whatever named 'MVC', >'Morphic' etc - pretty much every category and package - to which we >can mail problems, suggestions and fixes. Each such name would >forward to actual people or mail-lists. That way nobody needs to know >the right person(s) by name. You simply email >'Collections at squeakfoundation.org' > >I'd suggest adding a few synonyms when possible and maybe some >catchalls like 'updates' and 'release' and coordinator', whatever. > >Using roles rather than personal addresses reduces the potential >breakdown when people move, or get tired or swap responsibilities. it >would be nice if our mail programs could repsond with like role-based >IDs when replying but I've not found one that can. > >tim >-- >tim Rowledge; tim at rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim >Strange OpCodes: BDC: Break Down and Cry > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

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Re: Help requested with morphic-related bug
by David T. Lewis 02 Jan '06

02 Jan '06

On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 11:51:52AM -0800, Kurt Thams wrote: > David T. Lewis wrote: > >On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 09:49:53PM +0100, karl wrote: > >>>karl wrote: > >>>So how do you properly use Morphic to display the intermediate results > >>>of a long-running, computationally-intensive process? This code could > >>>not be runing in the step method, otherwise the display would never > >>>update. > > > >Do this: > > > >WorldState addDeferredUIMessage: ["display your intermediate results"] > > > >It's perfectly OK to run background processes as you describe. All > >you need to do is schedule the display parts to run in the Morphic > >UI process using #addDeferredUIMessage:. > > > Meaning that the block which is the argument to addDeferredUIMessage: > contains the code which updates the Morphs? Yes, that's right. The block contains some code that you want to have evaluated in the Morphic user interface process. This will basically happen "right away", so it does not appear to the user to be delayed in any way. This makes for a good way to do an update of something in the user interface while your computationally-intensive process carries on with its work. Very simple if you know about it, and very confusing if you don't ;-) Dave

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[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes?
by Peace Jerome 02 Jan '06

02 Jan '06

An important bug fix is now ready to be published into squeak. The morphic team has looked at it and the hitch is that not all of the fix fits into morphic. Because I want to control where a popup menu pops up I had to make two almost trivial extentions to CustomMenu. So how do I find the team leader who does the signing off on that? ----- The general problem is that as a coder I will know the name of the class I am changing. I can find the name of the package asking for a browser. After that I am stuck. How do I find the team the package belongs to? Yes I know this is doable easily for salient packages. But not all named packages have obvious teams. This is a confusion that begs to be resolved. My patron hates for me to spent time debugging beauracracy when he'd rather I be debugging code. ------ Thanks for your help. Yours in service, -- Jerome Peace __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

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Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 change
by Peace Jerome 02 Jan '06

02 Jan '06

>[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 change What I believe we are discussing are the growing pains of the new team system. The background is that for the last year my major bug fixes have be gathering dust because nobody had the responsibility or authority to act on them. So running into a bureaucratic tangle in getting them approved is actually a step in the right direction.. My stuff is mostly morphic so I've been working on the morphic team leader to approve it. The team leader liked the work but didn't want to take responsibility approving stuff in the collection or st80 classes (or the graphic package either). So here I have one important but small change set and I find I have to track down and get permission from three team leaders. Daunting. I wrote the request for help after I had looked hard enough to find several different sources of out of date stewart and harvesting information. Even when I did stumble across a page on www.squeak.org that had what looked like current information and stewart names I couldnt find what I needed which was the mapping between the Class I wanted to change CustomMenu and/or its package ST80 and the stewart I needed to contact to bless the change. neither typing http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/ST80 or pretend we have already figured out the PI for the code at hand will not actually work. The first gives: Error http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/ST80 Returned by server: No package found beginning with name st80 and the second leads me to rather pretend I have a squeak without bugs. >From the rest of gorans note I deduce that he is trying to solve my problem while knowing too much. My patron does not want me to know all this stuff about package Info. He would rather I have a web page at a known (to me) location with up to date info that allows me to map what I know (Class names and the associate package name from the package browser) onto who Ive got to call (well email) to get the go ahead my fixes need. As you can see from the discussion thread no one to date can give me that type of answer. Making it worse is the clutter of still available obsolete information; the innovation of new ways to do thing; and the frequency of reorganizations. If I read the other treads correctly whos in charge of what and how much hasnt quite settled yet. Growing pains. >From my point of view the task is to 1) Fix things elegantly 2) Get the fixes into the image. 3) With the least effort on the part of all concerned. So the thing needing doing as far as signoffs and permissions is: 1) Announce where to find the one page official source of infomation. 2) Create it once. 3) Keep it up to date as the signoff process is improved. Each of these steps is doable with a minimum of effort. Yours in service, -- Jerome Peace P.S. After consideration I got around my problem in the change set by retracting some pieces and renaming the catagories for ST80 stuff to *Morphic-... extentions. > > > > > >[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes? >goran at krampe.se goran at krampe.se >Mon Jan 2 13:54:09 CET 2006 > > * Previous message: [Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes? > * Next message: Followup on Request for an image with all changes from 3.0 to the beginning of 3.9 > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >Hi! > >Cees De Groot <cdegroot at gmail.com> wrote: >> On 1/2/06, Peace Jerome <peace_the_dreamer at yahoo.com> wrote: >> > So how do I find the team leader who does the signing >> > off on that? >> > >> Good question. I think this might be a nice task for something like >> SqueakMap. Or maybe we could setup <packageInfo>@squeak.org forwarding >> to the appropriate email address. Come to think of it, this might be >> TSTTCPW. >> > For the matter at hand, however, there´s no team at the moment. So >> you´ll have to take it up with the 3.9a release team. > >Let me repeat myself a bit: > >For every Steward team there should be an SM package with a PI field >filled in, like the Network team has: > http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/network > >This makes sure we have enough info to map any piece of code to actual >developers and their emails! > >Code for this is in PackageInfo-Extras (Ned merged my stuff which gives >you extra menu choices in the changesorters into his stuff) but I fear >it got barfed a bit because it doesn't seem to work properly, but the >idea is to use PackageOrganizer to find the PI for a piece of code and >then find the SM package and developers/emails from that. > >So if we pretend we have already figured out the PI for the code at hand >then we can: > >| package allDevs emails | >package := SMSqueakMap default packageWithPI: 'Network'. >allDevs := package maintainers copyWith: package owner. >emails := allDevs collect: [:dev | dev email] > >...which gives: > an OrderedCollection('ken at kencausey.com' 'm.rueger at acm.org' >'goran at krampe.se') > > >...or just use the newly added "feedbackEmail" typically pointing to a >list: >(SMSqueakMap default packageWithPI: 'Network') feedbackEmail > >...which gives: >'network at lists.squeakfoundation.org' > >Anyway, I will try to get PackageInfo-Extras fixed and included - it is >a really nice extension to the changesorters to enable "direct" feedback >to the maintainers of fixes (it does changeset splitting etc based on >PIs). > >regards, Göran > > * Previous message: [Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80 changes? > * Next message: Followup on Request for an image with all changes from 3.0 to the beginning of 3.9 > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >More information about the Squeak-dev mailing list > >Squeak-dev list courtesy of The InternetOne and tric, the new way __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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