[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80
change
What I believe we are discussing are the growing pains of the new team system.
The background is that for the last year my major bug fixes have be gathering dust because nobody had the responsibility or authority to act on them. So running into a bureaucratic tangle in getting them approved is actually a step in the right direction..
My stuff is mostly morphic so I've been working on the morphic team leader to approve it. The team leader liked the work but didn't want to take responsibility approving stuff in the collection or st80 classes (or the graphic package either). So here I have one important but small change set and I find I have to track down and get permission from three team leaders. Daunting.
I wrote the request for help after I had looked hard enough to find several different sources of out of date stewart and harvesting information. Even when I did stumble across a page on www.squeak.org that had what looked like current information and stewart names I couldnt find what I needed which was the mapping between the Class I wanted to change CustomMenu and/or its package ST80 and the stewart I needed to contact to bless the change. neither typing http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/ST80
or pretend we have already figured out the PI for the code at hand
will not actually work. The first gives:
Error http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/ST80
Returned by server: No package found beginning with name st80
and the second leads me to rather pretend I have a squeak without bugs.
From the rest of gorans note I deduce that he is
trying to solve my problem while knowing too much. My patron does not want me to know all this stuff about package Info. He would rather I have a web page at a known (to me) location with up to date info that allows me to map what I know (Class names and the associate package name from the package browser) onto who Ive got to call (well email) to get the go ahead my fixes need.
As you can see from the discussion thread no one to date can give me that type of answer.
Making it worse is the clutter of still available obsolete information; the innovation of new ways to do thing; and the frequency of reorganizations. If I read the other treads correctly whos in charge of what and how much hasnt quite settled yet. Growing pains.
From my point of view the task is to
1) Fix things elegantly 2) Get the fixes into the image. 3) With the least effort on the part of all concerned.
So the thing needing doing as far as signoffs and permissions is: 1) Announce where to find the one page official source of infomation. 2) Create it once. 3) Keep it up to date as the signoff process is improved.
Each of these steps is doable with a minimum of effort.
Yours in service, -- Jerome Peace
P.S. After consideration I got around my problem in the change set by retracting some pieces and renaming the catagories for ST80 stuff to *Morphic-... extentions.
[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80
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goran at krampe.se goran at krampe.se Mon Jan 2 13:54:09 CET 2006
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Hi!
Cees De Groot <cdegroot at gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/2/06, Peace Jerome <peace_the_dreamer at
yahoo.com> wrote:
So how do I find the team leader who does the
signing
off on that?
Good question. I think this might be a nice task
for something like
SqueakMap. Or maybe we could setup
<packageInfo>@squeak.org forwarding
to the appropriate email address. Come to think of
it, this might be
TSTTCPW.
For the matter at hand, however, there´s no team
at the moment. So
you´ll have to take it up with the 3.9a release
team.
Let me repeat myself a bit:
For every Steward team there should be an SM package
with a PI field
filled in, like the Network team has: http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/network
This makes sure we have enough info to map any piece
of code to actual
developers and their emails!
Code for this is in PackageInfo-Extras (Ned merged my
stuff which gives
you extra menu choices in the changesorters into his
stuff) but I fear
it got barfed a bit because it doesn't seem to work
properly, but the
idea is to use PackageOrganizer to find the PI for a
piece of code and
then find the SM package and developers/emails from
that.
So if we pretend we have already figured out the PI
for the code at hand
then we can:
| package allDevs emails | package := SMSqueakMap default packageWithPI:
'Network'.
allDevs := package maintainers copyWith: package
owner.
emails := allDevs collect: [:dev | dev email]
...which gives: an OrderedCollection('ken at kencausey.com'
'm.rueger at acm.org'
'goran at krampe.se')
...or just use the newly added "feedbackEmail"
typically pointing to a
list: (SMSqueakMap default packageWithPI: 'Network')
feedbackEmail
...which gives: 'network at lists.squeakfoundation.org'
Anyway, I will try to get PackageInfo-Extras fixed
and included - it is
a really nice extension to the changesorters to
enable "direct" feedback
to the maintainers of fixes (it does changeset
splitting etc based on
PIs).
regards, Göran
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Hi jerome
I understand your frustration. Now this is important that we know what are the extensions needed to collections. I will have a look at the email juan sent in the morphic mailing- list. I think that as you worked a lot in morphic should really participate to the morphic team. I know you are there.
Stef
What I believe we are discussing are the growing pains of the new team system.
The background is that for the last year my major bug fixes have be gathering dust because nobody had the responsibility or authority to act on them. So running into a bureaucratic tangle in getting them approved is actually a step in the right direction..
My stuff is mostly morphic so I've been working on the morphic team leader to approve it. The team leader liked the work but didn't want to take responsibility approving stuff in the collection or st80 classes (or the graphic package either). So here I have one important but small change set and I find I have to track down and get permission from three team leaders. Daunting.
I wrote the request for help after I had looked hard enough to find several different sources of out of date stewart and harvesting information. Even when I did stumble across a page on www.squeak.org that had what looked like current information and stewart names I couldn’t find what I needed which was the mapping between the Class I wanted to change CustomMenu and/or its package ST80 and the stewart I needed to contact to bless the change. neither typing http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/ST80
or pretend we have already figured out the PI for the code at hand
will not actually work. The first gives:
Error http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/ST80
Returned by server: No package found beginning with name st80
and the second leads me to rather pretend I have a squeak without bugs.
From the rest of goran’s note I deduce that he is
trying to solve my problem while knowing too much. My patron does not want me to know all this stuff about package Info. He would rather I have a web page at a known (to me) location with up to date info that allows me to map what I know (Class names and the associate package name from the package browser) onto who I’ve got to call (well email) to get the go ahead my fixes need.
As you can see from the discussion thread no one to date can give me that type of answer.
Making it worse is the clutter of still available obsolete information; the innovation of new ways to do thing; and the frequency of reorganizations. If I read the other treads correctly who’s in charge of what and how much hasn’t quite settled yet. Growing pains.
From my point of view the task is to
- Fix things elegantly
- Get the fixes into the image.
- With the least effort on the part of all concerned.
So the thing needing doing as far as signoffs and permissions is:
- Announce where to find the one page official source
of infomation. 2) Create it once. 3) Keep it up to date as the signoff process is improved.
Each of these steps is doable with a minimum of effort.
Yours in service, -- Jerome Peace
P.S. After consideration I got around my problem in the change set by retracting some pieces and renaming the catagories for ST80 stuff to *Morphic-... extentions.
[Help] How do I find out who has to sign off on ST80
changes?
goran at krampe.se goran at krampe.se Mon Jan 2 13:54:09 CET 2006
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Hi!
Cees De Groot <cdegroot at gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/2/06, Peace Jerome <peace_the_dreamer at
yahoo.com> wrote:
So how do I find the team leader who does the
signing
off on that?
Good question. I think this might be a nice task
for something like
SqueakMap. Or maybe we could setup
<packageInfo>@squeak.org forwarding
to the appropriate email address. Come to think of
it, this might be
TSTTCPW.
For the matter at hand, however, there´s no team
at the moment. So
you´ll have to take it up with the 3.9a release
team.
Let me repeat myself a bit:
For every Steward team there should be an SM package
with a PI field
filled in, like the Network team has: http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/network
This makes sure we have enough info to map any piece
of code to actual
developers and their emails!
Code for this is in PackageInfo-Extras (Ned merged my
stuff which gives
you extra menu choices in the changesorters into his
stuff) but I fear
it got barfed a bit because it doesn't seem to work
properly, but the
idea is to use PackageOrganizer to find the PI for a
piece of code and
then find the SM package and developers/emails from
that.
So if we pretend we have already figured out the PI
for the code at hand
then we can:
| package allDevs emails | package := SMSqueakMap default packageWithPI:
'Network'.
allDevs := package maintainers copyWith: package
owner.
emails := allDevs collect: [:dev | dev email]
...which gives: an OrderedCollection('ken at kencausey.com'
'm.rueger at acm.org'
'goran at krampe.se')
...or just use the newly added "feedbackEmail"
typically pointing to a
list: (SMSqueakMap default packageWithPI: 'Network')
feedbackEmail
...which gives: 'network at lists.squeakfoundation.org'
Anyway, I will try to get PackageInfo-Extras fixed
and included - it is
a really nice extension to the changesorters to
enable "direct" feedback
to the maintainers of fixes (it does changeset
splitting etc based on
PIs).
regards, Göran
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