Squeak-dev April 2001

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[BUG][FIX] Unix VM does not update shift/ctrl state properly when mouse moves
by Ned Konz 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Unlike the Windows VM, the shift and control key state is not reflected in the events generated by mouse movement. The enclosed patch to HandleEvents() in sqXWindow.c fixes this (3.0pre2): @@ -930,6 +989,7 @@ case MotionNotify: mousePosition.x= ((XMotionEvent *)&theEvent)->x; mousePosition.y= ((XMotionEvent *)&theEvent)->y; + recordModifierButtons((XButtonEvent *)&theEvent); if (inputEventSemaIndex != 0) { recordMouseEvent((XButtonEvent *)&theEvent, true); -- Ned Konz currently: Stanwood, WA email: ned(a)bike-nomad.com homepage: http://bike-nomad.com

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RE: consolidated downloads?
by Stephen Pair 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Speaking of installers, it would be neat to eventually have an installer framework written in Squeak. That way you wouldn't need to maintain completely different installers for each platform. I think it's been discussed a number of times already. - Stephen > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Rueger [mailto:m.rueger@acm.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:32 PM > To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > Subject: Re: consolidated downloads? > > > > > I would volunteer to build installers for mac and pc for the full Squeak > version similiar to the ones on squeaklet.com for the plugin versions. > I could base the installers on the files that are available from the > consolidated site. > > Michael >

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Linux Squeakers...any problems on 2.4.3?
by Kevin Fisher 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

This is directed towards anyone running the 3.0/3.1 VM on Linux...is anyone 'living on the edge' running the latest & greatest kernel (2.4.3)? I recently updated from 2.4.2 to 2.4.3 and noticed that Squeak suddenly has problems talking to the serial port. This is strange, since Jpilot (a palm pilot syncher) seems to work just fine. However, my X10 controller (which uses the Serial class) no longer works. If I boot back into 2.4.2 I have no problems...Squeak can use the serial ports just fine. I'm going to dig into this further if I can, but I thought I'd ask first if anyone else has this problem.. I notice the latest Alan Cox patch has some sort of serial fix so I may give that a try.

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Re: consolidated downloads?
by Bruce ONeel 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Hi, It's part of the way there, the directory is new3.0 or so. I wasn't quite done yet so I hadn't sent a note around. I made a few changes from the proposal in that I am renaming files so that they have a consistant nameing scheme, though that's not all done yet, and there are a few other small changes. View this is a work in progress which will replace the current 3.0 and 3.1_alpha dirs. All that said, I can *not* supply all of the VMs. I/We really need people to build and make available to me the VMs for different platforms, the unix ones in particular. I've built a linux VM using st.cs.uiuc.edu, a linux system, but I can't test it. I really don't have other unix systems to build VMs on. If someone wants to buy me a SGI, Compaq Alpha, SPARC, et al system I'm happy to take them and build VMs :-) If people want to give a look at the current changes, feel free, though remember that it's not quite done. I still plan to put more separate files for the Windows systems in place, populate the otherSystems directory, and sprinkle READMEs throughout so that people can ignore them :-) cheers bruce Doug Way <dway(a)riskmetrics.com> wrote: > > Stephen Pair wrote: > > > > It would be nice to have all downloads (stable and alpha) consolidated on > > squeak.org with the following information: > > > > - platform notes (specific to each OS) > > - release notes > > - installation instructions > > > > Preferably, for each platform, you would have one downloadable file for the > > latest stable release, > > Bruce O'Neel posted a proposed new ftp site structure last week which covers most of this, including a single downloadable file for each platform in separate platform directories. There was general agreement that the structure looked good... I assume he just hasn't gotten around to doing the restructuring yet. See his message: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/26509 > > Your suggestion that the full downloadable files include the .sources file is good, so you'd have everything you need in one downloadable. I think the proposal above assumes this, but I'm not sure. (Anyone griping about downloading a .sources file they already have can always download the compressed image/changes files and vm separately if they really want. The single downloadables should be geared toward first-time users.) > > Some brief release notes/install instructions for each platform might not be a bad idea. At least, they should mention things like "The recommended VM to use with the Solaris 2.8 image is the 3.0-Solaris VM" or whatever, so there's no confusion. > > > and one downloadable file for the latest alpha > > release. > > Actually, I think there was general agreement that we *not* do this. The alpha versions should be relatively hidden from newbies, and shouldn't be made into an all-in-one download, since newbies generally shouldn't be running alpha versions. > > (Also, building an all-in-one downloadable for every new alpha release for every platform seems like an awful lot of extra work for Bruce, who's already doing a great job on a volunteer basis...) > > > The downloadable file would contain everything necessary (vm, > > changes, sources, plugins, etc) to install and run that version of squeak. > > Credit should also be given to whomever bundles up a build. > > > > Additionally, it might be useful to have a section for each platform that > > has "custom builds" for more advanced users. This might be where someone > > has made a build with everything pluginized, or all plugins built-in, or a > > minimal image download, etc. But, I would keep these clearly separate from > > the main downloads (the latest stable and alpha for each platform). > > Not a bad idea... although there was a plugins directory for each platform in the above proposal. Maybe an extra custombuilds directory (for C sources?) would make sense? > > > Ideally, everything (all downloads) would be on squeak.org, making it easier > > to maintain, archive, and mirror. Also, it might be good for the platform > > maintainers (or others) to be able to maintain or update the downloads for a > > given platform directly. > > All the downloads are pretty much on the "primary ftp archive", which is the UIUC archive mentioned on squeak.org, and its mirrors. Someone looking for a stable release (like Richard was), shouldn't have to look anywhere else. (And this is mostly true today, except for some Unix platforms...) > > - Doug Way > dway(a)riskmetrics.com

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Re: [Updates] 40 for 3.1alpha
by merlyn＠stonehenge.com 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Ingalls <Dan.Ingalls(a)disney.com> writes: Dan> These are mostly from Squeak Central, and I have yet to issue Dan> Mark Swenk's selections for the 3.0 image. I got behind due to Dan> an unplanned and unsuccessful flying lesson, but things are Dan> mostly back to normal. I was asked for my initials during this update. That doesn't normally happen... does that mean one of the change sets isn't tagged right? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

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Re: MacHack (was Re: Squeak article in MacTech Magazine)
by Jeff Szuhay 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

>Which reminds me, I was somewhat tempted to attend the MacHack developers >conference this year to do a little Squeak boosting, and hearing about >this article is encouraging. I haven't attended a MacHack before, >though... is anyone on the list thinking of going? It sounds like a few >folks are going to the WWDC, but MacHack is a lot closer for me. Also, I >haven't done any true Mac hacking in awhile (the last compiler I used was >Symantec C++, if that gives you any idea), but I'm still a loyal Mac user, >mostly as a platform for Squeak, of course. :) Yes, I think I'm going this year. But I haven't confirmed it yet. It would be my first year for MacHack and I don't know if I can take the intensity of it (getting old sux). 8-) -- ************************************************** Jeff Szuhay A randomly-directed www.szuhay.org chaotical wetware pattern jeff(a)szuhay.org recognizer/generator. Having children makes you no more a parent than having a piano makes you a pianist. ---Michael Levine [Lessons at the Halfway Point]

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RE: Squeak article in MacTech Magazine
by Alan Kay 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Peter -- At 10:08 AM +0100 4/4/01, Peter Crowther wrote: > > From: Alan Kay [mailto:Alan.Kay@disney.com] >> That is right, I seem to remember that it did (as its remoter >> ancestor LISP used to (and perhaps still does)). > >It still does, with a slightly different rule --- anything except nil is >true. Caused me no end of hassle recently when I was translating some LISP >code into something faster but less readable. At least Smalltalk actually >*has* booleans. > >Alan, were you ever a Loads-of-Irritating-Superfluous-Parentheses >programmer, because your use of nested parentheses would seem to imply it. heh, heh. That was for Richard's benefit. No, but I was a very interested LISP code reader (especially the metacode) in the late sixties. Some of Smalltalk's best ideas were adaptations of various late binding ideas first put in LISP. Cheers, Alan

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RE: x86 jitter? (One more try!)
by Frank Lesser 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

-----Original Message----- From: carlg(a)libertybasic.com [mailto:carlg@libertybasic.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:43 PM To: Frank Lesser Subject: Re: x86 jitter? (One more try!) --- In squeak@y..., "Frank Lesser" <squeak@l...> wrote: > What license are you planning on using for the x86 Jitter port? > > Thanks, > Thomas. > Hi Thomas, > > we don't know yet. > One idea is to make our work free for private use, research and > universities, small-firms ( -5 empl. ), opensource development and let other > companies pay licence fees. Our W32 stuff is a work over years. Wouldn't the x86 jitter port be considered a part of Squeak proper and get folded into the Squeak distribution? -Carl just to remove all misunderstandings. We are working over an own JIT enabled VM for x86 not to be confused with Piumartas work. Frank

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RE: x86 jitter? (One more try!)
by Frank Lesser 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

-----Original Message----- From: Tom [mailto:tmb@lumo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:51 AM To: Frank Lesser Subject: Re: x86 jitter? (One more try!) On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:33:26AM +0200, Frank Lesser wrote: > From: Elzbieta Chludzinska [mailto:elzbieta@operamail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:18 AM > To: Squeak List > Subject: x86 jitter? (One more try!) > > > How is the x86 jitter progressing? > > Is it ready for prime-time? > > I tried this question some time back and never got an answer, so I thought > I'd > try once again! > > Elzbieta > Hi Elzbieta, > > we are working now over our LSWST Squeak Window Bindings and we decided to > work on it ( Jitter ) after we have our Bindings ported. > > Frank, http://www.lesser-software.com What license are you planning on using for the x86 Jitter port? Thanks, Thomas. Hi Thomas, we don't know yet. One idea is to make our work free for private use, research and universities, small-firms ( -5 empl. ), opensource development and let other companies pay licence fees. Our W32 stuff is a work over years. Frank.

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RE: x86 jitter? (One more try!)
by Frank Lesser 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

-----Original Message----- From: Elzbieta Chludzinska [mailto:elzbieta@operamail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:18 AM To: Squeak List Subject: x86 jitter? (One more try!) How is the x86 jitter progressing? Is it ready for prime-time? I tried this question some time back and never got an answer, so I thought I'd try once again! Elzbieta Hi Elzbieta, we are working now over our LSWST Squeak Window Bindings and we decided to work on it ( Jitter ) after we have our Bindings ported. Frank, http://www.lesser-software.com

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