Hi Guys: Now that 4.5 is near to be released I want to make a suggestion for 4.6.
I think that Squeak have a killer weapon a bit forgotten that should be included in the image, it's Morphic Designer [1] from Hasso Platner Institute [2].
I'm loading it fine from several version already [3] but I think that it should be part of the image in 4.6, for example in menu Tools.
This would help to lower the barriers of Squeak to newbies (remember that one of the more criticized aspects from all times is the lack of an UI Builder).
And Morphic Designer really rocks and should not be forgot, I think that need to be maintained as part of the official image.
What think the community?
[1] https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/... [2] https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects [3] http://germanarduino.blogspot.com.ar/2011/04/como-instalar-morphic-designer-...
I think it is possible to port the basic idea of Morphic Designer to plain Morphic/PluggableWidgets. As far as I noticed, there is ja major concern about Signals, Animations, and Widgets, which kind of would "replace" or "make redundant" the current approaches: changed/update, Morphic stepping, Morphic (pluggable) widgets. :)
Best, Marcel
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HI Marcel:
I do not know the internals, but until 4.5 it works ok in the standard image......
Cheers.
BTW: I was just thinking in write to you asking about some of the cool things of the Hasso Plattner Institute (For example the page of PathView and Model-based Source Code Editing are not found)
2014-02-20 8:59 GMT-03:00 Marcel Taeumel < marcel.taeumel@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:
I think it is possible to port the basic idea of Morphic Designer to plain Morphic/PluggableWidgets. As far as I noticed, there is ja major concern about Signals, Animations, and Widgets, which kind of would "replace" or "make redundant" the current approaches: changed/update, Morphic stepping, Morphic (pluggable) widgets. :)
Best, Marcel
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Hi Germán,
I’m currently editing the PathView documentation page :-) and I hope to officially announce the entire Path tool suite in the next days.
Best regards, Michael
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HI Marcel:
I do not know the internals, but until 4.5 it works ok in the standard image......
Cheers.
BTW: I was just thinking in write to you asking about some of the cool things of the Hasso Plattner Institute (For example the page of PathView and Model-based Source Code Editing are not found)
2014-02-20 8:59 GMT-03:00 Marcel Taeumel marcel.taeumel@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de: I think it is possible to port the basic idea of Morphic Designer to plain Morphic/PluggableWidgets. As far as I noticed, there is ja major concern about Signals, Animations, and Widgets, which kind of would "replace" or "make redundant" the current approaches: changed/update, Morphic stepping, Morphic (pluggable) widgets. :)
Best, Marcel
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Thanks you Michael!
BTW I discovered this tools just today and trying to read about them :)
Cheers.
2014-02-20 10:36 GMT-03:00 Michael Perscheid < michaelperscheid@googlemail.com>:
Hi Germán,
I'm currently editing the PathView documentation page :-) and I hope to officially announce the entire Path tool suite in the next days.
Best regards, Michael
On 20.02.2014, at 13:14, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
HI Marcel:
I do not know the internals, but until 4.5 it works ok in the standard
image......
Cheers.
BTW: I was just thinking in write to you asking about some of the cool
things of the Hasso Plattner Institute (For example the page of PathView and Model-based Source Code Editing are not found)
2014-02-20 8:59 GMT-03:00 Marcel Taeumel <
marcel.taeumel@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:
I think it is possible to port the basic idea of Morphic Designer to
plain
Morphic/PluggableWidgets. As far as I noticed, there is ja major concern about Signals, Animations, and Widgets, which kind of would "replace" or "make redundant" the current approaches: changed/update, Morphic
stepping,
Morphic (pluggable) widgets. :)
Best, Marcel
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On 20-02-2014, at 3:11 AM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I think that Squeak have a killer weapon a bit forgotten that should be included in the image, it's Morphic Designer [1] from Hasso Platner Institute [2].
I’ve mentioned this before as a strong candidate for a standard tool - though again I’ll mention Chris Muller’s Maui stuff as an interesting alternative approach - and if someone does the work of simplifying it a little as Marcel mentions then I think it would be a very popular tool. Even if simplifying meant mostly removing stuff so all that was left was making layout data; that’s a surprising amount of hassles removed.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim In the long run, every program becomes rococco, and then rubble.
I vote for have Morphic Designer, I think that is very useful to quickly compose Morphic UI's.
And, by other hand, I think that is a way to attract more newbies to Squeak, from years the lack of an UI composer is the main complaint of a lot of people (myself included :P )
2014-02-20 16:25 GMT-03:00 tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org:
On 20-02-2014, at 3:11 AM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I think that Squeak have a killer weapon a bit forgotten that should be
included in the image, it's Morphic Designer [1] from Hasso Platner Institute [2].
I've mentioned this before as a strong candidate for a standard tool - though again I'll mention Chris Muller's Maui stuff as an interesting alternative approach - and if someone does the work of simplifying it a little as Marcel mentions then I think it would be a very popular tool. Even if simplifying meant mostly removing stuff so all that was left was making layout data; that's a surprising amount of hassles removed.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim In the long run, every program becomes rococco, and then rubble.
Does it have code generation or does it serialize the composed morphs ?
Cheers, Karl
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I vote for have Morphic Designer, I think that is very useful to quickly compose Morphic UI's.
And, by other hand, I think that is a way to attract more newbies to Squeak, from years the lack of an UI composer is the main complaint of a lot of people (myself included :P )
2014-02-20 16:25 GMT-03:00 tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org:
On 20-02-2014, at 3:11 AM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I think that Squeak have a killer weapon a bit forgotten that should be
included in the image, it's Morphic Designer [1] from Hasso Platner Institute [2].
I've mentioned this before as a strong candidate for a standard tool - though again I'll mention Chris Muller's Maui stuff as an interesting alternative approach - and if someone does the work of simplifying it a little as Marcel mentions then I think it would be a very popular tool. Even if simplifying meant mostly removing stuff so all that was left was making layout data; that's a surprising amount of hassles removed.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim In the long run, every program becomes rococco, and then rubble.
-- Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino www.arduinosoftware.com
Hi Karl:
MD creates valid Smalltalk code for your designs.
A little example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7PTQcN_8Go
HTH.
2014-02-22 10:54 GMT-03:00 karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com:
Does it have code generation or does it serialize the composed morphs ?
Cheers, Karl
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.comwrote:
I vote for have Morphic Designer, I think that is very useful to quickly compose Morphic UI's.
And, by other hand, I think that is a way to attract more newbies to Squeak, from years the lack of an UI composer is the main complaint of a lot of people (myself included :P )
2014-02-20 16:25 GMT-03:00 tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org:
On 20-02-2014, at 3:11 AM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I think that Squeak have a killer weapon a bit forgotten that should
be included in the image, it's Morphic Designer [1] from Hasso Platner Institute [2].
I've mentioned this before as a strong candidate for a standard tool - though again I'll mention Chris Muller's Maui stuff as an interesting alternative approach - and if someone does the work of simplifying it a little as Marcel mentions then I think it would be a very popular tool. Even if simplifying meant mostly removing stuff so all that was left was making layout data; that's a surprising amount of hassles removed.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim In the long run, every program becomes rococco, and then rubble.
-- Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino www.arduinosoftware.com
Nice. 360 video resolution was a little hard to read but it was very informative.
Cheers, Karl
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Karl:
MD creates valid Smalltalk code for your designs.
A little example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7PTQcN_8Go
HTH.
2014-02-22 10:54 GMT-03:00 karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com:
Does it have code generation or does it serialize the composed morphs ?
Cheers, Karl
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.comwrote:
I vote for have Morphic Designer, I think that is very useful to quickly compose Morphic UI's.
And, by other hand, I think that is a way to attract more newbies to Squeak, from years the lack of an UI composer is the main complaint of a lot of people (myself included :P )
2014-02-20 16:25 GMT-03:00 tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org:
On 20-02-2014, at 3:11 AM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I think that Squeak have a killer weapon a bit forgotten that should
be included in the image, it's Morphic Designer [1] from Hasso Platner Institute [2].
I've mentioned this before as a strong candidate for a standard tool - though again I'll mention Chris Muller's Maui stuff as an interesting alternative approach - and if someone does the work of simplifying it a little as Marcel mentions then I think it would be a very popular tool. Even if simplifying meant mostly removing stuff so all that was left was making layout data; that's a surprising amount of hassles removed.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim In the long run, every program becomes rococco, and then rubble.
-- Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino www.arduinosoftware.com
-- Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino www.arduinosoftware.com
Here a better resolution video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmlgU5p4g3o
BTW, the links are in the MD page: https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/...
Cheers.
2014-02-22 13:21 GMT-03:00 karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com:
Nice. 360 video resolution was a little hard to read but it was very informative.
Cheers, Karl
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Karl:
MD creates valid Smalltalk code for your designs.
A little example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7PTQcN_8Go
HTH.
2014-02-22 10:54 GMT-03:00 karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com:
Does it have code generation or does it serialize the composed morphs ?
Cheers, Karl
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.comwrote:
I vote for have Morphic Designer, I think that is very useful to quickly compose Morphic UI's.
And, by other hand, I think that is a way to attract more newbies to Squeak, from years the lack of an UI composer is the main complaint of a lot of people (myself included :P )
2014-02-20 16:25 GMT-03:00 tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org:
On 20-02-2014, at 3:11 AM, Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I think that Squeak have a killer weapon a bit forgotten that should
be included in the image, it's Morphic Designer [1] from Hasso Platner Institute [2].
I've mentioned this before as a strong candidate for a standard tool - though again I'll mention Chris Muller's Maui stuff as an interesting alternative approach - and if someone does the work of simplifying it a little as Marcel mentions then I think it would be a very popular tool. Even if simplifying meant mostly removing stuff so all that was left was making layout data; that's a surprising amount of hassles removed.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim In the long run, every program becomes rococco, and then rubble.
-- Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino www.arduinosoftware.com
-- Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino www.arduinosoftware.com
I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be a great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be non responsive, can anyone help?
Thanks.
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I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be a great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be non responsive, can anyone help?
I see. Will fix it Monday when back at work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards -Tobias
Thanks.
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Ok, thanks you Tobias. Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino @garduino
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I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be a great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be non responsive, can anyone help?
I see. Will fix it Monday when back at work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards -Tobias
Thanks.
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I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be a great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be non responsive, can anyone help?
I see. Will fix it Monday when back at work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards -Tobias
ok, Thanks you Tobias.
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On 19.05.2017, at 22:13, garduino <garduino@> wrote:
I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be a great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be non responsive, can anyone help?
I see. Will fix it Monday when back at work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards -Tobias
ok, Thanks you Tobias.
Well, can you try again? Looks like a simple hiccup we had… Best regards -Tobias
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Hi Tobias….and not, is not working from here.
Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino @garduino
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On 19.05.2017, at 22:13, garduino <garduino@> wrote:
I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be a great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be non responsive, can anyone help?
I see. Will fix it Monday when back at work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards -Tobias
ok, Thanks you Tobias.
Well, can you try again? Looks like a simple hiccup we had… Best regards -Tobias
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Hi Tobias….and not, is not working from here.
I noted that it does not work in some Chrome versions. have you tried firefox? (make sure it is http and not https)
Best regards -Tobias
Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino @garduino
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On 19.05.2017, at 22:13, garduino <garduino@> wrote:
I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be a great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be non responsive, can anyone help?
I see. Will fix it Monday when back at work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards -Tobias
ok, Thanks you Tobias.
Well, can you try again? Looks like a simple hiccup we had… Best regards -Tobias
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I mean that I get a timeout trying to install UI Designer from a Squeak 5.1 image following the usual instructions from the web page. Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino @garduino
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Germán Arduino
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I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that should be
a
great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to be
non
responsive, can anyone help?
I see.
Will fix it Monday when back at work.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards
-Tobias
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Well, can you try again?
Looks like a simple hiccup we had…
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how about a tool menu command to load one or more GUI builders and which ever ones you load wind up in the GUI builder subMenu so it's easy to launch them
that way they are optional like now but not buried in some lost list of packages or scattered out onto the web where only newbies who are now oldies will ever find them
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 09:08 Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I mean that I get a timeout trying to install UI Designer from a Squeak 5.1 image following the usual instructions from the web page.
Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino @garduino
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On 27.05.2017, at 13:41, garduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tobias….and not, is not working from here.
I noted that it does not work in some Chrome versions. have you tried firefox?
(make sure it is http and not https)
Best regards
-Tobias
Saludos / Regards,
Germán Arduino
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On 19.05.2017, at 22:13, garduino <garduino@> wrote:
I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that
should be
a
great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems to
be
non
responsive, can anyone help?
I see.
Will fix it Monday when back at work.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards
-Tobias
ok, Thanks you Tobias.
Well, can you try again?
Looks like a simple hiccup we had…
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how about a tool menu command to load one or more GUI builders and which ever ones you load wind up in the GUI builder subMenu so it's easy to launch them
that way they are optional like now but not buried in some lost list of packages or scattered out onto the web where only newbies who are now oldies will ever find them
and how about a menu command therein which leads to a documentation cluster or whatever a playlist list of videos or whatever that tells how to do it the way it is meant to be done now without the GUI builder
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 09:08 Germán Arduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
I mean that I get a timeout trying to install UI Designer from a Squeak 5.1 image following the usual instructions from the web page.
Saludos / Regards, Germán Arduino @garduino
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On 27.05.2017, at 13:41, garduino garduino@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tobias….and not, is not working from here.
I noted that it does not work in some Chrome versions. have you tried firefox?
(make sure it is http and not https)
Best regards
-Tobias
Saludos / Regards,
Germán Arduino
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I'm again bothering with this question, but I'm really sure that
should be
a
great addition for the base image.
I'm trying to check if it works in 5.0, but the repo of HPI seems
to be
non
responsive, can anyone help?
> I see.
> Will fix it Monday when back at work.
> Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Best regards
> -Tobias
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Well, can you try again?
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