Squeak-dev September 2004

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OmniBrowser in Tools Flap
by Jan B. Krejci 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi there, I apologize for wasting the precious time of all the Gurus here, but: wouldn't it be quite nice to have the OmniBrowser (OBBrowser browseImage) icon in "open" menu and "Tools" flap by default after installation of OB package? .:jbk:. Jan B. Krejci

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RE: About BFAV 2.12
by Frank Shearar 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

stéphane ducasse <ducasse(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote: > hi > > I would like to know if BFAV 2.12 is not released on purpose > or if this > is just an oversight. Isn't it? If I look at SqueakMap directly (http://map1.squeakfoundation.org/sm/account/copackage/d4d7d3e0-5892-4b71-8c… i think it is) I see a published version 2.12, and if I look in SqueakMap in my image it tells me that I can upgrade from 2.11 to 2.12. What have I missed? frank ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent RNID policy. If you are not the intended recipient you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the RNID Helpdesk by telephone on: +44 (0) 207 296 8282. The Royal National Institute for Deaf People Registered Office 19*23 Featherstone Street London EC1Y 8SL No. 454169 (England) Registered Charity No. 207720 ********************************************************************

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About BFAV 2.12
by stéphane ducasse 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

hi I would like to know if BFAV 2.12 is not released on purpose or if this is just an oversight. Stef

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Serving images from HttpView2
by Jan B. Krejci 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi all, I'm surprised again and again, how simple the life can be with Squeak :) Recently, I've asked Goran to help me, because I was not able to get a dynamic image (i.e. some Morph's actual look) from Squeak using HttpView2 so it could be displayed in browser. The patch Goran has sent me almost immediately consisted of just one "asString": !HttpResponse methodsFor: 'responding' stamp: 'gk 8/31/2004 23:41'! pvtWriteContentsOn: aStream | chunkSize cnts | chunkSize _ self responseChunkSize. cnts _ self contents. [cnts atEnd] whileFalse: [aStream nextPutAll: (cnts next: chunkSize) asString "<== THIS ONE!"; flush]! ! And voila! Now I am able to write url methods like: pic ^ World. Marvelous. God bless Goran and Squeak and everyone... ,:jbk:. Jan B. Krejci

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[Q] Why Monticello don't keep names of packages
by Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Maybe this is silly question for Avi what sure have strong reasons. But I unhappy about losing names of packages having Monticello as official tool in image. Before 3.7 full, I can load .mcz using SqueakMap or from files stored on my disk using FileList. Always I could have package name what I could easily locate using normal Change Browser. Now , instead of having CrazyThing.3 , I have MC9 and is more difficult when you work a while remember or locating where CrazyThing.3 are. Edgar

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Re: Refactoring of Morphic (was RE: MVC vs. Morphic (was Re: Shrinking))
by Douglas Rollwitz 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I am doing some refactoring of Morph, and will be posting a changeset soon. It is not a comprehensive refactoring, but it does move about 80 methods out of Morph, and every little bit helps. I don't see anything wrong with chipping away at Morph. Doug --- SmallSqueak <smallsqueak(a)rogers.com> wrote: > > Hi Ned, > > > [SNIP] > > > > > However, I'm not sure that a wholesale refactoring > of Morphic > > would be worth the time at this point, as there > are a couple > > of important new UI systems in the works (Tweak > and Croquet), > > > > IMHO, the factoring should have done before Croquet > > and Tweak and Scratch were created. > > It should have been done when there was talk about > folding Stable Squeak into main stream Squeak. > (How much time and efforts wasted in Stable Squeak > ?) > > It should have been done when Henrik module system > was incorporated into main stream Squeak. > (How much time and efforts was wasted) > > "A More Inclusive Community-Based Model for Squeak > Development" > http://bike-nomad.com/squeak/community2.html > > "Please note that I have tried not to talk about > technical > solutions to problems. I don't think that the > problems > we're having are primarily because of a lack of > appropriate > tools or system design. > > Rather, I think that we have ignored a number of > important > social factors in the design of the community" > > IMHO, the problems are not only technical and > social, > but also psychological and "political". > > It may be a bit late now but it is still better > than > never. > > > > > and I also think that the desire for a cleaner, > more > > "standard" user interface that includes the > elements that > > people are used to is not necessarily best met by > Morphic. > > > > You might want to review this opinion after Morphic > is factored, if that ever happens. > > > > > As you know, there's lots of stuff in Morphic (and > Squeak in > > general) that is a result of its focus on being > the platform > > for EToys. I think that much of the current > complexity of > > Morphic is due to design decisions (made under > time pressure, > > of course) from EToys (and Alan's various demos) > creeping > > into what started out as a much simpler system. > > > How "eloquently" said ! > > This is understandable. After all, Apple and Disney > were > incorporated for profit and Alan has his own > agenda. > > After SqC let go of Disney, there was no more > time pressure and was the focus still on eToys ? > > Why Croquet while eToys/Morphic is still a mess ? > > Why Croquet while cheering the modularizing efforts > ? > > Why adding more storeys on top of a shaking > foundation ? > > Why not factoring Morphic ? > > Why not removing the dead bodies rotten inside > Squeak ? > > Was Squeak/Morphic a success ? > > Maybe yes, a catastrophic success ! > > Why the heck I am sitting here and > typing these silly words ! > > [SNIP] > > > >

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[Squeakmap] Statistics
by Hernan Tylim 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi, I know that there are already a lot of things on the wish list for squeakmap but nevertheless I wanted to add a very little one. What do you think about keeping a downloads counter per Package release on Squeakmap? I know that it wouldn't be accurate because of the local cache on each client. But it will give as at least a lower bound for measuring the use of a given package. Regards, Hernán

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