Squeak-dev March 2001

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RE: [OT]Re: Browser Plugin 3.0 update
by Peter Crowther 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

> From: Bert Freudenberg [mailto:bert@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Ned Konz wrote: > > > why > > use something that's so ponderous to pronounce ("www.") instead of > > something like "web.")? > > Well, actually that's not the fault of the acronym but of the > Makers of Written English. I think it's quite accurate --- "Wibbly-Wobbly Web". Or "World-Wide Wait". - Peter

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Application Packager
by David N. Smith (IBM) 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

I think I remember that someone was working on a packager, but I don't remember who, or whatever happened to it, or if it is available and I've missed it. (A packager takes some set of classes you know you want, another list of those you know you don't want, and writes an image without the unwanted classes and whatever else can be determined isn't needed.) There are methods in class Smalltalk that greatly assist in this process, and an example where the image is stripped down to almost nothing for use on tiny machines. I've hacked together code that writes a standalone image less development tools and some other stuff, but including morphic, for one application. It works fine but is purely a hack. What I am looking for is a general tool to do the packaging, to which I 'merely' pass the lists of classes. Anyone working on one? Thanks, Dave -- _______________________________ David N. Smith IBM T J Watson Research Center Hawthorne, NY _______________________________ Any opinions or recommendations herein are those of the author and not of his employer.

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Re: benchmarks; Jitter for Linux?
by Karl Ramberg 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

Jitter was developed on Linux PPC so the port is PPC to x86. I have not heard any reports of people working on this. Karl Tom wrote: > > I was curious where the various implementations of a few > dynamic languages stand now and I implemented some simple > benchmarks. You can find them at http://www.lumo.com/squeak-bench/ > In general, Squeak does pretty well compared to Python. > > I'm wondering, though: is anybody working on porting the > Jitter to Linux? > > Thanks, > Thomas.

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Re: excited newbie:)
by Karl Ramberg 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

Raymond Tiefenthal wrote: > > > Btw, I just tried to assign a LayoutFrame to a simple morph from class > > Morph. The problem is, it just sits there and won't change it's bounds. > > > > m_Morph new openInWorld. > > m layoutFrame: (LayoutFrame fractions: (0@0 corner: 1.0(a)0.2) offsets:nil) > > > > I tried with embedding it in other morphs, sending it #changed, sending > it's > > owner #changed, but nothing happened. Could you drop a line on the > solution? > > I found the solution myself. The owner must have proportional layout and the > submorph space fill layout. > > m1_Morph new openInWorld. > m2_Morph new openInWorld. > m2 color: Color green. > m1 changeProportionalLayout. > m1 addMorph: m2 fullFrame: (LayoutFrame fractions: (0@0 extent: 0.5@1) > offsets:nil) > > Sorry, I should have tried harder in the first place. OTOH I have spent like > 3 hours to figure it out :) Thanks for sharing, I have not figured out all of the layout stuff myself yet, and small hints can save lot's of hours :-) Karl

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Re: Squeak 3.x Image for iPAQ?
by Bob Houston 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

Yes, that would be great. Is your image and change file available for downloading? Please send me a pointer to it. Thanks. Kevin Fisher wrote: > > I have a 6.6 meg 3.1 image (with a very small changes file). I > discarded MVC, FLASH, 3D and a few other things, but the games are > all still there. It's also 'Genie-active'. > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 07:57:24AM -0500, Bob Houston wrote: > > Does anyone have a "medium size" 3.0 or 3.1 image that's in the 4MB to > > 5MB range? I'd like to run morphic and some of the cool games on my > > iPAQ, but I don't have room for a complete image. I travel a fair > > amount and would like to be able to demo squeak using my PDA. Please > > let me know if you have a good demo image you'd like to share. > > > > Thanks, > > Bob Houston > >

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Re: making it difficult for beginners
by Dan Shafer 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

Sorry, one other point. We have Squeak project management on board at SourceForge.net. Maybe the solution is to maintain the alpha and in-development stuff _only_ there until it's ready for general release, then move it to a Squeak server. That would surely differentiate things clearly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text

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Re: [ANN] Squeak VM for MacOS-X final
by Bruce ONeel 28 Mar '01

28 Mar '01

Hi, This is on the uiuc ftp site now. cheers bruce Marcel Weiher <marcel(a)metaobject.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've posted an updated VM for the just-released MacOS-X 10.0 to: > > http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~marcel/Squeak/ > > The binary package itself is at > > http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~marcel/Squeak/Squeak-MacOSX- > VM-3.0.1-2001.03.27.sb.tar.gz > > From the README: > > Squeak VM 3.0.1 for MacOS-X > > This is a Squeak virtual machine for MacOS-X Final. It will not > work on the Public Beta. > > USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. > > This release contains both source and binaries. > > NEWS > ---- > > - updated projects to new ProjectBuilder, primarily > to produce an app bundle compatible with the final > release > - new compiler seems to add about 10% to speed > - release is much snappier when it comes to graphics > and events > - disabled full screen mode (broke) > - adapted sound routines to changed API in final > - added manual (trivial) upsampling from Squeak > default 22 kHz for sound output to CoreAudio's > apparently non-changeable 44 kHz. > - added code to map command-key sequences, AppKit > didn't want to send them to Squeak

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Re: [project] Draft for BlockClosure Semantics for Squeak v0.4
by Stephan Rudlof 28 Mar '01

28 Mar '01

Tim, Tim Rowledge wrote: > > Stephan Rudlof <sr(a)evolgo.de> is widely believed to have written: > > > Squeakers, > > > > here is the next version of my draft. > Quick suggestion regarding your last section on the upgrading process; > I'd strongly suggest using the SystemTracer to build an image for your > updated VM. This allows you to recompile any method using blocks as you > write it out, without messing up the running image. Better yet, it makes > a nice clean way to test your new VM with the simulator before you even > bother to generate the C code and saves all that tacky messing with > gdb/MW/VC++/!ddt/whatever-demented-debugger-your-machine-has. I designed > and implemented the cleaner CompiledMethod format that way and it was > much easier. Thanks for the hint! But at first I have to get the simulator running... (there have been some bug reports regarding this, but I'm hopeful (have just tried once long time ago)) > Since I hope to get back to a 3.1 compatible version of the CM change > soon, I could probably combine any changes you need with the same Junta. I haven't taken a look onto your changes so far, but I think I should! One of the next steps... Until now I've 'just' refined the concept: there are big changes from v0.4 -> v0.5! > You might also like to consider having separate Method objects for the > bytecode parts of the Closures; Doesn't seem to be necessary, but... > Ian has suggested this might make a > useful improvement for the jitter Do you know, why this could be faster? Greetings, Stephan > > tim > -- > Tim Rowledge, tim(a)sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim > "Bother," said Pooh, as Simon stole his Jet calender. -- Stephan Rudlof (sr(a)evolgo.de) "Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, 'Today I will be brilliant.'" -- Kirk, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4731.3

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AW: Report on P-H Squeak Books
by Frank Lesser 28 Mar '01

28 Mar '01

Hi Mark, I put a link on your book on http://Smalltalk-Programming.com/books.htm . Can I include the coversheet image ? Also it would be nice to invoke reprints of Smalltalk books, which are out of print. Frank

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squeak.org down again ?
by Karl Ramberg 28 Mar '01

28 Mar '01

I just tried Squeak.org and was told by Communicator that it could not be located. Is it the power outage in California that causes this ? Karl

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