I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.ch
The password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demo
The design can be adapted when editing the "Environment" page. Some system settings are available in "System".
Also try the HTML validator (note that some other pages fail to validate, but that's because of some invalid hand crafted HTML in the contents pages):
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsqueak.lukas-renggli.ch
Cheers, Lukas
This is cool!
Stef
On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chThe password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demoThe design can be adapted when editing the "Environment" page. Some system settings are available in "System".
Also try the HTML validator (note that some other pages fail to validate, but that's because of some invalid hand crafted HTML in the contents pages):
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsqueak.lukas-renggli.ch
Cheers, Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
I added a right side-bar, with automatically aggregated news from "The Weekly Squeak". The right sidebar also contains a freely editable download area that can (in sub-pages for example) also be overridden in subpages with other information.
Cheers, Lukas
On 3/20/08, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@free.fr wrote:
This is cool!
Stef
On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chThe password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demoThe design can be adapted when editing the "Environment" page. Some system settings are available in "System".
Also try the HTML validator (note that some other pages fail to validate, but that's because of some invalid hand crafted HTML in the contents pages):
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsqueak.lukas-renggli.ch
Cheers, Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
Same here.
2008/3/20, Paolo Bonzini bonzini@gnu.org:
Lukas Renggli wrote:
I added a right side-bar, with automatically aggregated news from "The Weekly Squeak".
There are some problems with UTF-8 there.
Paolo
I added a right side-bar, with automatically aggregated news from "The Weekly Squeak".
There are some problems with UTF-8 there.
This is a well known problem, also on seaside.st. The problem is that all feeds are encoded differently and sometimes even incorrect. I don't know why the detection of the encoding doesn't work for weekly Squeak, but this should be possible to fix.
I tested to upload a screenshot and link from a small to a big, but that did not work right out of the box. I saw a Pier addon called PictureLink in the SqueakSource Pier repository. Does that make screenshot stuff easier ?
I don't know that plugin. Currently pictures are always displayed as is, unless you upload them resized or when using CSS (what is not really nice).
I know its well known issue of seaside & firefox. Do you have any thoughts how to optimize that?
I don't know of that issue. Is there a bug report in the Seaside issue tracker?
Because instead of loading content only, Firefox does all hard work by loading scripts/css sheets each time, which is suboptimal of course.
Currently the styles and the JavaScript (for the search) are all served through the image. The files can be moved to Apache, like it is done on my web-site and on seaside.st.
The other issues are just cosmetic - like the size of fonts, etc.
I didn't work on the design. What Pier uses is BlueprintCSS, a framework to get a cross-browser compliant base of styles with decent font settings. It is can be easily configured to look more like Squeak.
Cheers, Lukas
Lukas Renggli wrote:
I tested to upload a screenshot and link from a small to a big, but that did not work right out of the box. I saw a Pier addon called PictureLink in the SqueakSource Pier repository. Does that make screenshot stuff easier ?
I don't know that plugin. Currently pictures are always displayed as is, unless you upload them resized or when using CSS (what is not really nice).
I did the same I did on Smallwiki with the screenshots and it seems to work.
Are urls to uploaded files/images persistent or do they change ?
Karl
Are urls to uploaded files/images persistent or do they change ?
Yes, they are uploaded through the image to collect some meta-data, but then super efficiently served through a static Apache URL. So you can upload huge pictures (or files in general) easily without putting any load to the image. I already wanted to build some image processing for a long time (at least the resizing part), but didn't find the time to actually do so. Maybe today while traveling .... ;-)
Lukas
its very nice, very well done!!
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Lukas Renggli renggli@gmail.com wrote:
Are urls to uploaded files/images persistent or do they change ?
Yes, they are uploaded through the image to collect some meta-data, but then super efficiently served through a static Apache URL. So you can upload huge pictures (or files in general) easily without putting any load to the image. I already wanted to build some image processing for a long time (at least the resizing part), but didn't find the time to actually do so. Maybe today while traveling .... ;-)
Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
Yes, it is great! no words..
But, next Demo, thinking, should be the Squeak.org powered by Lively Kernel (0.8) for the true "Powered by Squeak" - philosophy meaning. Site as a self exploratory environment for the Creative end-user, instead of just Informational - Presentational (from the word "preservative") space.. The time is not waiting! and "Always Beta" - is the Web 2.0 paradigm, isn't it?...
Regards, Nikolay Suslov
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Lukas Renggli renggli@gmail.com wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chThe password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demoThe design can be adapted when editing the "Environment" page. Some system settings are available in "System".
Also try the HTML validator (note that some other pages fail to validate, but that's because of some invalid hand crafted HTML in the contents pages):
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsqueak.lukas-renggli.ch
Cheers, Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.ch
This site looks quite modern. I just played a little with the site and added «See the SiteThoughts for the comments on Pier installment» string on main page. Looks quite alive. Everyone invited to leave his personal comment in this demo wiki :-) before it will be installed on the squeak.org.
Nice job!
One year ago, I did a website I didn't use at all. It's based on Pier and I added DHTML and CSS to offer a NeXTSTEP-ilke design. Reusing Morphic halos' look and feel can be a good idea: News should be in a kind of Tools-flap and each paragraph may be embedded in window-like div with halos control to show/hide (X), see related links (=)... Just a short brainstorming...
The link to the website I did: http://hondana.net
Long life to Squeak and its community! Shame to all Seasiders that still use php/python for their own blog ;-)) [I am joking!]
-- Martial
At Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:17:35 +0100, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chThe password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demoThe design can be adapted when editing the "Environment" page. Some system settings are available in "System".
Also try the HTML validator (note that some other pages fail to validate, but that's because of some invalid hand crafted HTML in the contents pages):
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsqueak.lukas-renggli.chCheers, Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
Thank you for fast work.
I tested to upload a screenshot and link from a small to a big, but that did not work right out of the box. I saw a Pier addon called PictureLink in the SqueakSource Pier repository. Does that make screenshot stuff easier ?
Karl
Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chThe password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demoThe design can be adapted when editing the "Environment" page. Some system settings are available in "System".
Also try the HTML validator (note that some other pages fail to validate, but that's because of some invalid hand crafted HTML in the contents pages):
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsqueak.lukas-renggli.chCheers, Lukas
Thanks for providing a demo, Lukas.
I'm very like things like these:
+content+
!!!News +news+ *Weekly Squeak>http://news.squeak.org/*
Some remarks.. http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ Reports that to load page it requires to do 7 separate requests.
I don't know why FireFox don't want to cache css/scripts and loads them every time page is loading. You may take a look of what of http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ says:
---- Analysis and Recommendations
* TOTAL_HTML - Congratulations, the total number of HTML files on this page (including the main HTML file) is 1 which most browsers can multithread. Minimizing HTTP requests is key for web site optimization. * TOTAL_OBJECTS - Caution. You have 7 total objects on this page. Consider reducing, eliminating, and combining external objects (graphics, CSS, JavaScript) to reduce the total number of objects, and thus separate HTTP requests. * TOTAL_CSS - Caution. The total number of external CSS files on this page is 3 , consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refine, and optimize your external CSS files. Ideally you should have one (or even embed CSS for high-traffic pages) on your pages. * TOTAL_SIZE - Warning! The total size of this page is 142364 bytes, which will load in 29.77 seconds on a 56Kbps modem. Consider reducing total page size to less than 30K to achieve sub eight second response times on 56K connections. Pages over 100K exceed most attention thresholds at 56Kbps, even with feedback. Consider contacting us about our optimization services. * TOTAL_SCRIPT - Caution. The total number of external script files on this page is 3 , consider reducing this to one or two. Combine, refine, and optimize your external script files. Ideally you should have one (or even embed scripts for high-traffic pages) on your pages. * HTML_SIZE - Congratulations, the total size of this HTML file is 3561 bytes, which less than 20K. Assuming that you specify the HEIGHT and WIDTH of your images, this size allows your page to display content in well under 8 seconds, the average time users are willing to wait for a page to display without feedback. * SCRIPT_SIZE - Warning! The total size of external your scripts is 127096 bytes, which is over 8K. Consider optimizing your scripts for size, combining them, and using compression where appropriate for any scripts placed in the HEAD of your documents. * CSS_SIZE - Warning! The total size of your external CSS is 11707 bytes, which is over 8K. Consider optimizing your CSS for size by eliminating whitespace, using shorthand notation, and combining multiple CSS files where appropriate. * MULTIM_SIZE - Congratulations, the total size of all your external multimedia files is 0 bytes, which is less than 4K. --------
I know its well known issue of seaside & firefox. Do you have any thoughts how to optimize that? Because instead of loading content only, Firefox does all hard work by loading scripts/css sheets each time, which is suboptimal of course.
I can't provide same analysis of Janko's page for comparison - something prevents webanalyzer to load this page. But it loads 2-3 times faster, despite that its contains multiple images/backgrounds.
Please move conversation to webteam mailing list!
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Igor Stasenko siguctua@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for providing a demo, Lukas.
I'm very like things like these:
+content+
!!!News +news+ *Weekly Squeak>http://news.squeak.org/*
Some remarks.. http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ Reports that to load page it requires to do 7 separate requests.
I don't know why FireFox don't want to cache css/scripts and loads them every time page is loading. You may take a look of what of http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ says:
Analysis and Recommendations
* TOTAL_HTML - Congratulations, the total number of HTML files onthis page (including the main HTML file) is 1 which most browsers can multithread. Minimizing HTTP requests is key for web site optimization. * TOTAL_OBJECTS - Caution. You have 7 total objects on this page. Consider reducing, eliminating, and combining external objects (graphics, CSS, JavaScript) to reduce the total number of objects, and thus separate HTTP requests. * TOTAL_CSS - Caution. The total number of external CSS files on this page is 3 , consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refine, and optimize your external CSS files. Ideally you should have one (or even embed CSS for high-traffic pages) on your pages. * TOTAL_SIZE - Warning! The total size of this page is 142364 bytes, which will load in 29.77 seconds on a 56Kbps modem. Consider reducing total page size to less than 30K to achieve sub eight second response times on 56K connections. Pages over 100K exceed most attention thresholds at 56Kbps, even with feedback. Consider contacting us about our optimization services. * TOTAL_SCRIPT - Caution. The total number of external script files on this page is 3 , consider reducing this to one or two. Combine, refine, and optimize your external script files. Ideally you should have one (or even embed scripts for high-traffic pages) on your pages. * HTML_SIZE - Congratulations, the total size of this HTML file is 3561 bytes, which less than 20K. Assuming that you specify the HEIGHT and WIDTH of your images, this size allows your page to display content in well under 8 seconds, the average time users are willing to wait for a page to display without feedback. * SCRIPT_SIZE - Warning! The total size of external your scripts is 127096 bytes, which is over 8K. Consider optimizing your scripts for size, combining them, and using compression where appropriate for any scripts placed in the HEAD of your documents. * CSS_SIZE - Warning! The total size of your external CSS is 11707 bytes, which is over 8K. Consider optimizing your CSS for size by eliminating whitespace, using shorthand notation, and combining multiple CSS files where appropriate. * MULTIM_SIZE - Congratulations, the total size of all your external multimedia files is 0 bytes, which is less than 4K.
I know its well known issue of seaside & firefox. Do you have any thoughts how to optimize that? Because instead of loading content only, Firefox does all hard work by loading scripts/css sheets each time, which is suboptimal of course.
I can't provide same analysis of Janko's page for comparison - something prevents webanalyzer to load this page. But it loads 2-3 times faster, despite that its contains multiple images/backgrounds.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.ch
What I see there looks like nothing even remotely resembling a web site. It looks like a random-string of non-ascii characters
On 02.04.2008, at 21:00, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chWhat I see there looks like nothing even remotely resembling a web site. It looks like a random-string of non-ascii characters
Yeah, in Firefox. In Safari and Opera I see half of the source of an xhtml web page ...
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2008/4/2, Matthew Fulmer tapplek@gmail.com:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chWhat I see there looks like nothing even remotely resembling a web site. It looks like a random-string of non-ascii characters
No, it looks like a site website with UTF-32 little endian encoding. Looks like someone broke something. Lukas might not be able to react this week.
Cheers Philippe
Appears like a website to me in Safari 3.1.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful random insult:- Can't program his way out of a for-loop.
2008/4/2, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org:
Appears like a website to me in Safari 3.1.
Lukas fixed it.
Cheers Philippe
The "Press Room" is quite a mess on Firefox 2.0.0.13/windows
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Philippe Marschall philippe.marschall@gmail.com wrote:
2008/4/2, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org:
Appears like a website to me in Safari 3.1.
Lukas fixed it.
Cheers Philippe
2008/4/3, Brad Fuller bradallenfuller@gmail.com:
The "Press Room" is quite a mess on Firefox 2.0.0.13/windows
It's the same issue and not a browser issue. As soon as there is a WideString WAKom turn into UTF-32 little endian. You can use WAKomEncoded of course and it works.
Cheers Philippe
It's the same issue and not a browser issue. As soon as there is a WideString WAKom turn into UTF-32 little endian. You can use WAKomEncoded of course and it works.
Ok, it is using WAKomEncoded now.
Lukas
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chThe password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demo
I can't figure out how to use this one either. I would like to make an itemized tutorial list where anyone can post a tutorial, tag it, review it, rate it, or show all tutorials on one subject. I did this by making a blog, and adding three posts to it: http://squeak.lukas-renggli.ch/Documentation/Tutorials
However, none of the posts are showing up there, and it does not seem like the title of the post can be made into a link to the tutorial, which makes for a pretty bad tutorial list.
What I would like is something like reddit, where one can post tutorials, rate them, and be able to see which ones are most recommended for a given subject. I have a big list to start from at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/SqueakTutorials
I have been unable to see how to do this in either pier or scribo.
2008/4/3, Matthew Fulmer tapplek@gmail.com:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I prepared a quick demo of the Squeak web site using Pier. My thanks go to Danie and Karl, that provided me with the old image to migrate the content. I did not adapt the CSS or the components of the page yet, what you see is as Pier comes after the installation. As I mentioned there are dozens of plugins ready that can be placed at any part of the web-site:
http://squeak.lukas-renggli.chThe password for an admin users with (almost all privileges) is:
demo/demoI can't figure out how to use this one either. I would like to make an itemized tutorial list where anyone can post a tutorial, tag it, review it, rate it, or show all tutorials on one subject. I did this by making a blog, and adding three posts to it: http://squeak.lukas-renggli.ch/Documentation/Tutorials
However, none of the posts are showing up there, and it does not seem like the title of the post can be made into a link to the tutorial, which makes for a pretty bad tutorial list.
What I would like is something like reddit, where one can post tutorials, rate them, and be able to see which ones are most recommended for a given subject. I have a big list to start from at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/SqueakTutorials
On http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/SqueakTutorials click 'Add', then select Post as a type. Don't forget to set the publication date.
Cheers Philippe
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