It would be cool if users could turn the warnings off from the notifier that warns them. Then they wouldn't have to know that there is a preference, they would be told so right away.

Am Sa., 21. Sept. 2019 um 10:16 Uhr schrieb Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:

You can turn off deprecation warnings in the preferences for now. :)

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christoph Thiede

Hasso-Plattner-Institut für Softwaresystemtechnik GmbH, Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam, HRB 12184 Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Christoph Meinel

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:39 AM +0200, "Nicola Mingotti" < nmingotti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

...

This evening I learnt the basic of Etoys doing the "Falling ellipse" example from the book "Squeak - Object-Oriented Design with Multimedia Applications" (Guzdial pg.164-172).

Problem. There are so many deprecation warnings going through this simple exercise (in Squeak-5.2 #update 18232) that only a highly motivated person would be patient enough to kill/ignore all of them.

For the moment I am not able to fix it myself, better I can do is to signal you the issue;)

bye Nicola

Hi, I think this should be generalized in this case, because it's the same for Preferences driven compiler options (assign block argument, underscore assignment, etc... ). The Debugger hook could be in the Exception subclasses.

Le sam. 21 sept. 2019 à 10:34, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com a écrit :

+1 Could somebody please implement an option to turn off 'deprecation warnings' from within the warning dialog box?

--Hannes

On 9/21/19, Jakob Reschke forums.jakob@resfarm.de wrote:

...

It would be cool if users could turn the warnings off from the notifier that warns them. Then they wouldn't have to know that there is a preference, they would be told so right away.

Am Sa., 21. Sept. 2019 um 10:16 Uhr schrieb Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:

...

You can turn off deprecation warnings in the preferences for now. :)

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christoph Thiede

Hasso-Plattner-Institut für Softwaresystemtechnik GmbH, Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam, HRB 12184 Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Christoph Meinel

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:39 AM +0200, "Nicola Mingotti" < nmingotti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

...

This evening I learnt the basic of Etoys doing the "Falling ellipse" example from the book "Squeak - Object-Oriented Design with Multimedia Applications" (Guzdial pg.164-172).

Problem. There are so many deprecation warnings going through this simple exercise (in Squeak-5.2 #update 18232) that only a highly motivated person would be patient enough to kill/ignore all of them.

For the moment I am not able to fix it myself, better I can do is to signal you the issue;)

bye Nicola

Ah you're right, we get SyntaxError window... Same problem, different form...

Le sam. 21 sept. 2019 à 15:54, Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> a écrit :

...

I think this should be generalized in this case, because it's the same

for Preferences driven compiler options (assign block argument, underscore assignment, etc... ). The Debugger hook could be in the Exception subclasses.

But you do not get a Debugger window when there is a Compiler error? Could you explain your idea more in detail, please? :)

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*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Samstag, 21. September 2019 14:29:28 *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Etoys infested by deprecation warnings

Hi, I think this should be generalized in this case, because it's the same for Preferences driven compiler options (assign block argument, underscore assignment, etc... ). The Debugger hook could be in the Exception subclasses.

Le sam. 21 sept. 2019 à 10:34, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com a écrit :

...

+1 Could somebody please implement an option to turn off 'deprecation warnings' from within the warning dialog box?

--Hannes

On 9/21/19, Jakob Reschke forums.jakob@resfarm.de wrote:

...

It would be cool if users could turn the warnings off from the notifier that warns them. Then they wouldn't have to know that there is a preference, they would be told so right away.

Am Sa., 21. Sept. 2019 um 10:16 Uhr schrieb Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:

...

You can turn off deprecation warnings in the preferences for now. :)

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christoph Thiede

Hasso-Plattner-Institut für Softwaresystemtechnik GmbH, Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam, HRB 12184 Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Christoph Meinel

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:39 AM +0200, "Nicola Mingotti" < nmingotti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

...

This evening I learnt the basic of Etoys doing the "Falling ellipse" example from the book "Squeak - Object-Oriented Design with Multimedia Applications" (Guzdial pg.164-172).

Problem. There are so many deprecation warnings going through this simple exercise (in Squeak-5.2 #update 18232) that only a highly motivated person would be patient enough to kill/ignore all of them.

For the moment I am not able to fix it myself, better I can do is to signal you the issue;)

bye Nicola

The problem is when the SyntaxError is triggered by loading a legacy package. Correcting the source is the last thing you would like to do if noob...

Le sam. 21 sept. 2019 à 19:51, Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> a écrit :

...

Ah you're right, we get SyntaxError window... Same problem, different

form...

Or, more frequently, an inline syntax error (#correctFrom:to:with:). I believe it would be overwhelming to put a link there. Also, these preferences aren't designed for beginners, are they? Who wants to use a deprecated syntax?

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*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Samstag, 21. September 2019 19:46:42 *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Etoys infested by deprecation warnings

Ah you're right, we get SyntaxError window... Same problem, different form...

Le sam. 21 sept. 2019 à 15:54, Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> a écrit :

...

...

I think this should be generalized in this case, because it's the same

for Preferences driven compiler options (assign block argument, underscore assignment, etc... ). The Debugger hook could be in the Exception subclasses.

But you do not get a Debugger window when there is a Compiler error? Could you explain your idea more in detail, please? :)

---

*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Samstag, 21. September 2019 14:29:28 *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Etoys infested by deprecation warnings

Hi, I think this should be generalized in this case, because it's the same for Preferences driven compiler options (assign block argument, underscore assignment, etc... ). The Debugger hook could be in the Exception subclasses.

Le sam. 21 sept. 2019 à 10:34, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com a écrit :

...

+1 Could somebody please implement an option to turn off 'deprecation warnings' from within the warning dialog box?

--Hannes

On 9/21/19, Jakob Reschke forums.jakob@resfarm.de wrote:

...

It would be cool if users could turn the warnings off from the notifier that warns them. Then they wouldn't have to know that there is a preference, they would be told so right away.

Am Sa., 21. Sept. 2019 um 10:16 Uhr schrieb Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:

...

You can turn off deprecation warnings in the preferences for now. :)

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christoph Thiede

Hasso-Plattner-Institut für Softwaresystemtechnik GmbH, Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam, HRB 12184 Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Christoph Meinel

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:39 AM +0200, "Nicola Mingotti" < nmingotti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

...

This evening I learnt the basic of Etoys doing the "Falling ellipse" example from the book "Squeak - Object-Oriented Design with

Multimedia

...

...

...

Applications" (Guzdial pg.164-172).

Problem. There are so many deprecation warnings going through this simple exercise (in Squeak-5.2 #update 18232) that only a highly motivated person would be patient enough to kill/ignore all of them.

For the moment I am not able to fix it myself, better I can do is to signal you the issue;)

bye Nicola

+1

Definitely. Indeed this beginner was not aware of the preference.

Eventually I tweaked the code to comply with the deprecation warning. But that could happen only because I learnt Smalltalk before Etoys. Which may not be the case for younger users.

bye Nicola

On 9/21/19 1:29 AM, Jakob Reschke wrote:

It would be cool if users could turn the warnings off from the notifier that warns them. Then they wouldn't have to know that there is a preference, they would be told so right away.

Am Sa., 21. Sept. 2019 um 10:16 Uhr schrieb Thiede, Christoph <Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:

You can turn off deprecation warnings in the preferences for now. :)

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christoph Thiede

Hasso-Plattner-Institut für Softwaresystemtechnik GmbH, Potsdam
Amtsgericht Potsdam, HRB 12184
Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Christoph Meinel




On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:39 AM +0200, "Nicola Mingotti"
<nmingotti@gmail.com <mailto:nmingotti@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Hi,

    This evening I learnt the basic of Etoys doing the "Falling
    ellipse" example from the book "Squeak - Object-Oriented
    Design with Multimedia Applications" (Guzdial pg.164-172).

    Problem. There are so many deprecation warnings going through
    this simple exercise (in Squeak-5.2 #update 18232) that only a
    highly motivated person would be patient enough to kill/ignore
    all of them.

    For the moment I am not able to fix it myself, better I can do
    is to signal you the issue;)

    bye
    Nicola

Could we raise kind of ParserNotification when a piece of deprecated syntax is detected, rather than calling #notify: in Scanner? We could design such an ObsoleteSyntaxNotification in a way that allows the user to abort or ignore the warning.

Then, maybe we could suppress this kind of notification when loading code from Metacello (using #on:do:).

Best,

Christoph

________________________________ Von: Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von Stéphane Rollandin lecteur@zogotounga.net Gesendet: Samstag, 21. September 2019 21:53:39 An: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Etoys infested by deprecation warnings

It would be cool if users could turn the warnings off from the notifier that warns them. Then they wouldn't have to know that there is a preference, they would be told so right away.

+1

Stef