Hi everyone,
When looking at Mantis today, I noticed a bug report (having to do with Squeak's date parsing) and worked up a fix. I wasn't sure whether to post the fix here, using the BFAV tags, or whether to post it on Mantis. Where should we be sending such things?
I have already attached my changeset to the Mantis report, but would be happy to post it here also if that is appropriate.
Thanks, Ben Schroeder
Post if to mantis (but I'm not sure). It seems that fewer people will look at it but may be not.
Stef
On 29 sept. 04, at 22:51, Ben Schroeder wrote:
Hi everyone,
When looking at Mantis today, I noticed a bug report (having to do with Squeak's date parsing) and worked up a fix. I wasn't sure whether to post the fix here, using the BFAV tags, or whether to post it on Mantis. Where should we be sending such things?
I have already attached my changeset to the Mantis report, but would be happy to post it here also if that is appropriate.
Thanks, Ben Schroeder
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 09:50:42AM +0200, stéphane ducasse wrote:
Post if to mantis (but I'm not sure). It seems that fewer people will look at it but may be not.
Please let's continue using BFAV for this. Mantis is great for tracking bugs (we need this badly) but it is not part of the Squeak environment.
It would be great if BFAV can continue to be improved so that reviewing bugs can become a *fun* thing to do.
I don't know how to keep Mantis in sync with BFAV. That's the problem with using separate "databases". But I'm sure someone will think of something ;-)
Dave
Yes, yes, Stef was far too ambivalent. We need to *decide* what system is used for what.
So if anyone thinks the policy should be different from the below, argue for it.
AFAIK, nobody has currently said that he is harvesting bug *fixes* from mantis, which implies that bugfixes and enh are posted to and handled by the BFAV, since that's what the harvesters currently use.
We don't really do bug tracking on the BFAV, and Mantis might be actually useful for that, so post *bugs* to Mantis.
If you wrote a fix in response to a bug report found on Mantis, *please* add a link (or the fixes subject) to Mantis. This will allow people looking at the bug during beta to know there's a pending fix, and getting it in. If some kind soul knows how to teach the BFAV to make that easier to do, that'd be cool.
If you own a bug (currently on BFAV (anything reported to the list)), and want it to be looked at during beta phase, make sure its on Mantis. If you want to see whether any open reported bugs interest you, for the same purpose, install BFAV, it shows that.
Daniel
"David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 09:50:42AM +0200, stZphane ducasse wrote:
Post if to mantis (but I'm not sure). It seems that fewer people will look at it but may be not.
Please let's continue using BFAV for this. Mantis is great for tracking bugs (we need this badly) but it is not part of the Squeak environment.
It would be great if BFAV can continue to be improved so that reviewing bugs can become a *fun* thing to do.
I don't know how to keep Mantis in sync with BFAV. That's the problem with using separate "databases". But I'm sure someone will think of something ;-)
Dave
Thanks daniel.
I hope that we will find a squeak solution soon (but not before beginning of november at least from what I have in mind :))
Stef
On 2 oct. 04, at 08:50, danielv@techunix.technion.ac.il wrote:
Yes, yes, Stef was far too ambivalent. We need to *decide* what system is used for what.
So if anyone thinks the policy should be different from the below, argue for it.
AFAIK, nobody has currently said that he is harvesting bug *fixes* from mantis, which implies that bugfixes and enh are posted to and handled by the BFAV, since that's what the harvesters currently use.
We don't really do bug tracking on the BFAV, and Mantis might be actually useful for that, so post *bugs* to Mantis.
If you wrote a fix in response to a bug report found on Mantis, *please* add a link (or the fixes subject) to Mantis. This will allow people looking at the bug during beta to know there's a pending fix, and getting it in. If some kind soul knows how to teach the BFAV to make that easier to do, that'd be cool.
If you own a bug (currently on BFAV (anything reported to the list)), and want it to be looked at during beta phase, make sure its on Mantis. If you want to see whether any open reported bugs interest you, for the same purpose, install BFAV, it shows that.
Daniel
"David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 09:50:42AM +0200, stZphane ducasse wrote:
Post if to mantis (but I'm not sure). It seems that fewer people will look at it but may be not.
Please let's continue using BFAV for this. Mantis is great for tracking bugs (we need this badly) but it is not part of the Squeak environment.
It would be great if BFAV can continue to be improved so that reviewing bugs can become a *fun* thing to do.
I don't know how to keep Mantis in sync with BFAV. That's the problem with using separate "databases". But I'm sure someone will think of something ;-)
Dave
Yes, I think we've pretty much decided that for 3.8, we will do bug tracking in Mantis, and still post [FIX]es and [ENH]ancements to the list and harvest them via BFAV.
I see that the "Reporting bug and fixes" page on the swiki has been updated to tell people to report bugs to mantis, although the exact process (and long term plans) could probably be further clarified. http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/398
I think we know that having different systems for bugs vs fixes is not a permanent solution, but we can probably live with it for now while we figure out how the tools work. I had posted some random thoughts here: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2004-September/ 082175.html
Also, the "Harvesting Process" page needs updating by myself or Marcus or someone to mention the new "unstable" update stream.
- Doug
p.s. I see on the banner of the swiki that Squeak 3.7 is now known as "The basecamp release"... :)
On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:50 AM, danielv@tx.technion.ac.il wrote:
Yes, yes, Stef was far too ambivalent. We need to *decide* what system is used for what.
So if anyone thinks the policy should be different from the below, argue for it.
AFAIK, nobody has currently said that he is harvesting bug *fixes* from mantis, which implies that bugfixes and enh are posted to and handled by the BFAV, since that's what the harvesters currently use.
We don't really do bug tracking on the BFAV, and Mantis might be actually useful for that, so post *bugs* to Mantis.
If you wrote a fix in response to a bug report found on Mantis, *please* add a link (or the fixes subject) to Mantis. This will allow people looking at the bug during beta to know there's a pending fix, and getting it in. If some kind soul knows how to teach the BFAV to make that easier to do, that'd be cool.
If you own a bug (currently on BFAV (anything reported to the list)), and want it to be looked at during beta phase, make sure its on Mantis. If you want to see whether any open reported bugs interest you, for the same purpose, install BFAV, it shows that.
Daniel
"David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 09:50:42AM +0200, stZphane ducasse wrote:
Post if to mantis (but I'm not sure). It seems that fewer people will look at it but may be not.
Please let's continue using BFAV for this. Mantis is great for tracking bugs (we need this badly) but it is not part of the Squeak environment.
It would be great if BFAV can continue to be improved so that reviewing bugs can become a *fun* thing to do.
I don't know how to keep Mantis in sync with BFAV. That's the problem with using separate "databases". But I'm sure someone will think of something ;-)
Dave
Okay, I cleaned up the "Reporting bugs and fixes" page a bit, and also added a new Mantis page on the swiki at:
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3860
Hopefully this will clear up some of the confusion.
- Doug
On Oct 3, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Doug Way wrote:
Yes, I think we've pretty much decided that for 3.8, we will do bug tracking in Mantis, and still post [FIX]es and [ENH]ancements to the list and harvest them via BFAV.
I see that the "Reporting bug and fixes" page on the swiki has been updated to tell people to report bugs to mantis, although the exact process (and long term plans) could probably be further clarified. http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/398
I think we know that having different systems for bugs vs fixes is not a permanent solution, but we can probably live with it for now while we figure out how the tools work. I had posted some random thoughts here: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2004-September/ 082175.html
Also, the "Harvesting Process" page needs updating by myself or Marcus or someone to mention the new "unstable" update stream.
- Doug
p.s. I see on the banner of the swiki that Squeak 3.7 is now known as "The basecamp release"... :)
On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:50 AM, danielv@tx.technion.ac.il wrote:
Yes, yes, Stef was far too ambivalent. We need to *decide* what system is used for what.
So if anyone thinks the policy should be different from the below, argue for it.
AFAIK, nobody has currently said that he is harvesting bug *fixes* from mantis, which implies that bugfixes and enh are posted to and handled by the BFAV, since that's what the harvesters currently use.
We don't really do bug tracking on the BFAV, and Mantis might be actually useful for that, so post *bugs* to Mantis.
If you wrote a fix in response to a bug report found on Mantis, *please* add a link (or the fixes subject) to Mantis. This will allow people looking at the bug during beta to know there's a pending fix, and getting it in. If some kind soul knows how to teach the BFAV to make that easier to do, that'd be cool.
If you own a bug (currently on BFAV (anything reported to the list)), and want it to be looked at during beta phase, make sure its on Mantis. If you want to see whether any open reported bugs interest you, for the same purpose, install BFAV, it shows that.
Daniel
"David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 09:50:42AM +0200, stZphane ducasse wrote:
Post if to mantis (but I'm not sure). It seems that fewer people will look at it but may be not.
Please let's continue using BFAV for this. Mantis is great for tracking bugs (we need this badly) but it is not part of the Squeak environment.
It would be great if BFAV can continue to be improved so that reviewing bugs can become a *fun* thing to do.
I don't know how to keep Mantis in sync with BFAV. That's the problem with using separate "databases". But I'm sure someone will think of something ;-)
Dave
stéphane ducasse ducasse@iam.unibe.ch wrote:
Post if to mantis (but I'm not sure). It seems that fewer people will look at it but may be not.
Stef
On 29 sept. 04, at 22:51, Ben Schroeder wrote:
Hi everyone,
When looking at Mantis today, I noticed a bug report (having to do with Squeak's date parsing) and worked up a fix. I wasn't sure whether to post the fix here, using the BFAV tags, or whether to post it on Mantis. Where should we be sending such things?
This is getting silly. If the community decision is to use this Mantis thing (which seems to me to be about as inconvenient a tool as I could imagine) then we need a proper commitment. So far almost nothing is in there. What about all the other bugs in the BFAV archive? What is the expected future of BFAV - one of the more useful tools I've seen.
At least we could try something helpful like [BUG] emails automagically going into Mantis. For those of use in low-bandwidth hell a webstie based system like Mantis is extremely inconvenient - connect, log in, ask for a list of bugs, look at one.... Bah. BFAV at least caches stuff so you can go away and do something else useful in the meantime.
tim -- Tim Rowledge, tim@sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim Strange OpCodes: BOMB: Burn Out Memory Banks
Tim Rowledge wrote:
At least we could try something helpful like [BUG] emails automagically going into Mantis. For those of use in low-bandwidth hell a webstie based system like Mantis is extremely inconvenient - connect, log in, ask for a list of bugs, look at one.... Bah. BFAV at least caches stuff so you can go away and do something else useful in the meantime.
Mantis also sends out bug reports, but you need to be on developer level (default for people signing up is reporter) for a project to receive those. The original configuration was to send bug reports to everyone, but then everybody received notifications for every public project in mantis.
So, everybody who would like to receive notifications for Squeak related bugs in mantis let me know and I will add them at developer level. Same applies for Squeak packages and squeakland.
Those mails can then be filtered by sender (bugs@impara.de) or subject ([Squeak ).
Michael
-------- "'This is not magic', he snapped, 'this is just engineering'" Interesting Times, Terry Pratchett
Hi,
When looking at Mantis today, I noticed a bug report (having to do with Squeak's date parsing) and worked up a fix. I wasn't sure whether to
Just post it to the list. I look afte rthe Chronology stuff.
Make sure you explain your fixes. SUnit tests are awlays nice.
Thanks
Brent
Hi Brent,
Just post it to the list. I look afte rthe Chronology stuff.
Make sure you explain your fixes. SUnit tests are awlays nice.
OK, thanks I will post a [FIX] here. Please let me know if you have any questions about the fix it is a straightforward addition of some error checking, based on what Date did in 3.6.
Regards, Ben
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