At 01:39 PM 4/29/00 +0200, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
At 15:56 27.04.00 -0500, R. A. Harmon wrote:
I would suspect not as MVC is slated to be removed from Squeak Central release. I'm not sure when.
I'm not sure whether this statement is correct. Actually, I think, it's wrong. AFAIK, the default desktop is probably changed from MVC to morphic but there're no plans to remove MVC.
The last time this question came up a couple of months ago I went back and found Dan Ingalls's original post on the future of Squeak and confirmed that he said MVC was being removed. I think I posted an excerpt of it.
Unless I missed something since the last discussion, I guess that is still the plan.
I'm also pretty sure that this wouldn't be easy as it's deeply burried in all parts of Squeak - including Morphic :-)
If I remember correctly, during the last discussion Dan explained (something like) that the MVC event mechanism would remain but they still planned to remove the MVC GUI framework. Sorry, I can't give a better explanation.
He said anyone could then add the MVC GUI framework to the Squeak Central release, if they wanted it.
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At 01:39 PM 4/29/00 +0200, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
At 15:56 27.04.00 -0500, R. A. Harmon wrote:
I would suspect not as MVC is slated to be removed from Squeak Central release. I'm not sure when.
I'm not sure whether this statement is correct. Actually, I think, it's wrong. AFAIK, the default desktop is probably changed from MVC to morphic but there're no plans to remove MVC.
The last time this question came up a couple of months ago I went back and found Dan Ingalls's original post on the future of Squeak and confirmed that he said MVC was being removed. I think I posted an excerpt of it.
Unless I missed something since the last discussion, I guess that is still the plan.
I'm also pretty sure that this wouldn't be easy as it's deeply burried in all parts of Squeak - including Morphic :-)
If I remember correctly, during the last discussion Dan explained (something like) that the MVC event mechanism would remain but they still planned to remove the MVC GUI framework. Sorry, I can't give a better explanation.
He said anyone could then add the MVC GUI framework to the Squeak Central release, if they wanted it.
I see it as Stefan describes. I see no indication of an MVC extraction.
While this rumor of an MVC extraction seems to continue unabated, cycling roughly monthly in posts by Mr. Harmon, I don't see any evidence of it. I certainly didn't see any of it in my e-mail archives I reviewed.
Dan certainly did state that Morphic was going to be the primary GUI for SqC, and would be the default in the SqC release, probably beginning with 2.8. Beyond that, Mr. Harmon's conclusion seems to be wild extrapolation of other remarks.
The comments found in recent changesets continue to indicate concern about changes being properly supported in or backpatched to MVC, and changesets with updates and upgrades continue to be posted. A fair amount of third-party Smalltalk code relies on MVC (or is more easily ported to MVC), and thus MVC is a useful tool for compatibility.
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