I am inside a method and I do ctrl + s where I have a undeclared variable. In that moment, a popup appears and I want to do "declare temp" for example. But, as I did ctrl + s I would like to go to "declare temp" with the beyboard, and then, press enter. But this, doesn't work and the popup is closed. To make this work, I have to click on "declare temp" with the mouse :(
I think the most important thing I miss for others IDE is the mouse dependence we have in squeak. Just as an example, when I use Eclipse, I almost don't need the mouse and it is very fast this.
Thanks,
Mariano
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
But, as I did ctrl + s I would like to go to "declare temp" with the beyboard, and then, press enter. But this, doesn't work and the popup is closed. To make this work, I have to click on "declare temp" with the mouse :(
Try again by pressing space instead of enter.
Damien Cassou wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianopeck@gmail.com wrote:
But, as I did ctrl + s I would like to go to "declare temp" with the beyboard, and then, press enter. But this, doesn't work and the popup is closed. To make this work, I have to click on "declare temp" with the mouse :(
Try again by pressing space instead of enter.
You actually have to press space, then enter. The reason that this works is that when you start typing, it filters out menu items that don't contain the substring that you typed (and selects the first one). When you type 'space', it selects 'declare temp': the first menu item with a space in it. So, if you want to make it an instance variable, you can type 'i'-'enter'.
It might be nice to have the first entry selected by default. It shows up as selected in the menu UI, but apparently the model doesn't think that anything is selected.
Cheers, Josh
On 25.02.2009, at 00:12, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
I am inside a method and I do ctrl + s where I have a undeclared variable. In that moment, a popup appears and I want to do "declare temp" for example. But, as I did ctrl + s I would like to go to "declare temp" with the beyboard, and then, press enter. But this, doesn't work and the popup is closed. To make this work, I have to click on "declare temp" with the mouse :(
I think the most important thing I miss for others IDE is the mouse dependence we have in squeak. Just as an example, when I use Eclipse, I almost don't need the mouse and it is very fast this.
Yes. Squeak was even worse (focus follows mouse exclusively). Should be fixed... but someone needs to do it :-)
-- Marcus Denker -- denker@acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de
Yes. Squeak was even worse (focus follows mouse exclusively)
"was" ?
do you think Squeak is now a thing of the past ? or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ?
Squeak was... at the time Marcus used it :) maybe this has changed since...
Cheers,
regards,
Stef
yes, sorry if my question sounded offensive. only it seems to me that there is quite a shift of focus from some members of this list from Squeak to Pharo, and it is not clear to me what is the dominant mindset there. the idea that worthy people might consider Squeak as a dead-end is a bit unsettling for me. I just wanted to have some feedback about it.
Stef
Cédrick Béler a écrit :
Yes. Squeak was even worse (focus follows mouse exclusively)
"was" ?
do you think Squeak is now a thing of the past ? or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ?
Squeak was... at the time Marcus used it :) maybe this has changed since...
Cheers,
regards,
Stef
On 2/26/09 6:08 PM, "Stéphane Rollandin" lecteur@zogotounga.net wrote:
yes, sorry if my question sounded offensive. only it seems to me that there is quite a shift of focus from some members of this list from Squeak to Pharo, and it is not clear to me what is the dominant mindset there. the idea that worthy people might consider Squeak as a dead-end is a bit unsettling for me. I just wanted to have some feedback about it.
Stef
Stef:
Squeak is not a dead end and never could be as people care.
Keep tuned, Squeak 4.0 and 5.0 is on development now and I beg give a try to SqueakLightII http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6056, the most modular and wide range of different projects common ground TODAY.
Edgar
Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
yes, sorry if my question sounded offensive. only it seems to me that there is quite a shift of focus from some members of this list from Squeak to Pharo, and it is not clear to me what is the dominant mindset there. the idea that worthy people might consider Squeak as a dead-end is a bit unsettling for me. I just wanted to have some feedback about it.
First of all, Squeak isn't dead. 3.11 is chugging along, 4.0 is making progress. We have some interesting new tools available (Installer etc) to simplify contributions.
What is lacking is the same thing that has always been lacking: A way of making decisions which are generally accepted by the community at large. As projects grow, you need a way of making such decisions and for Squeak, after SqC was no longer available as the decision makers, no other generally accepted body has been established.
Last year I had really hoped Dan might be the person to break this impasse. From my perspective he is the only person that pretty much every member in this community can agree with. Unfortunately, it didn't work out.
But when the mightier are unavailable, the lesser have to stand up. Consequently, I am running in the election this year with one and only one purpose: Fix the processes. Make it possible to come to decisions that are accepted by the community at large. I have started to post my thoughts along these lines at:
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-February/134256....
I think that if we can fix the contribution process we will see a resurgence of Squeak contributions. Put this together with a license-clean 4.0 and I think we'll be in a good shape for the next years.
Cheers, - Andreas
Hi
I imagine that marcus did not post to the squeak-mailing-list since years so please don't do it for him. Respect his past work. Marcus has the right to say what he wants and especially on the pharo mailing-list.
Stef
On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
Marcus Denker a écrit :
Yes. Squeak was even worse (focus follows mouse exclusively)
"was" ?
do you think Squeak is now a thing of the past ? or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ?
regards,
Stef
sorry ? I don't get it.
you're being rude, and for no reason. I already apologized if my question sounded offensive, which was not my intention. as for the message of Marcus Denker, it appeared on squeak-dev. I am not a subscriber of pharo list.
regards,
Stef
stephane ducasse a écrit :
Hi
I imagine that marcus did not post to the squeak-mailing-list since years so please don't do it for him. Respect his past work. Marcus has the right to say what he wants and especially on the pharo mailing-list.
Stef
On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
Marcus Denker a écrit :
Yes. Squeak was even worse (focus follows mouse exclusively)
"was" ?
do you think Squeak is now a thing of the past ? or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ?
regards,
Stef
Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
sorry ? I don't get it.
Don't worry, there is nothing to get here. Marcus cross-posted to Squeak-dev and for some reason Stef seems to think someone did it "for him" (which isn't true). That's all.
Your question was entirely appropriate in its context and I hope from the responses it became clear that Squeak is alive and squeakin' ;-)
Cheers, - Andreas
you're being rude, and for no reason. I already apologized if my question sounded offensive, which was not my intention. as for the message of Marcus Denker, it appeared on squeak-dev. I am not a subscriber of pharo list.
regards,
Stef
stephane ducasse a écrit :
Hi
I imagine that marcus did not post to the squeak-mailing-list since years so please don't do it for him. Respect his past work. Marcus has the right to say what he wants and especially on the pharo mailing-list.
Stef
On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
Marcus Denker a écrit :
Yes. Squeak was even worse (focus follows mouse exclusively)
"was" ?
do you think Squeak is now a thing of the past ? or am I misinterpreting what you wrote ?
regards,
Stef
Yes. I tried space and works! This is much better than using the mouse, so, thanks a lot for the data.
Cheers,
Mariano
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Marcus Denker denker@iam.unibe.ch wrote:
On 25.02.2009, at 00:12, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
I am inside a method and I do ctrl + s where I have a undeclared variable.
In that moment, a popup appears and I want to do "declare temp" for example. But, as I did ctrl + s I would like to go to "declare temp" with the beyboard, and then, press enter. But this, doesn't work and the popup is closed. To make this work, I have to click on "declare temp" with the mouse :(
I think the most important thing I miss for others IDE is the mouse dependence we have in squeak. Just as an example, when I use Eclipse, I almost don't need the mouse and it is very fast this.
Yes. Squeak was even worse (focus follows mouse exclusively). Should be fixed... but someone needs to do it :-)
-- Marcus Denker -- denker@acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de
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