Hi Folks:
I am working with a Cassiopea E125 with 32MB RAM. I downloaded the MIPS virtual machine from the home page and was able to get it to work with the mini.image. I had several problems:
A. I am able to start the virtual machine and select an image. As soon as I load an image, however, the program then falls in to the background. I can use "settings/system/memory/running programs" menus and the activate button to bring the program back to the top. Things will work from that point, but the program does not show up with an icon on the top of the start menu. If I use another program I can only return to squeak via the memory settings panel.
B. When running squeak the start menu shifts from the top (where it usually is) to the lower right hand corner, and the window partly overlays the bottom bar (where the typing control lives).
C. The full 2.7 image loads but does not function well in this environment. I got several walkbacks when I tried some of the early "Play With Me" windows.
So some questions:
1. Is there a more up to date version of the virtual machine for MIPS/Windows CE? I suspect most of the problems I have observed have to do with an out-of-date VM.
2. Are there other images available for PDAs? I would be interested having an image that re-engineers a few of the tools (browsers etc.) so that they would work well with a tiny display as well as including the morphic sub-system.
3. Is there active work on Squeak for Windows CE? Any hope of updates? I am interested in (possibly) using squeak as a delivery means and would be glad to put some work in to this.
Thanks,
Jonathan A. Smith
On Tuesday 26 December 2000 11:51, Smith, Jonathan Arrender wrote:
- Is there a more up to date version of the virtual machine for
MIPS/Windows CE? I suspect most of the problems I have observed have to do with an out-of-date VM.
Not that I know of.
- Are there other images available for PDAs? I would be interested
having an image that re-engineers a few of the tools (browsers etc.) so that they would work well with a tiny display as well as including the morphic sub-system.
There has been talk about this, but I haven't seen anything. One bright spot is the availability of nice small fonts (though I haven't got a pointer for you). Perhaps some of the look-and-feel work will help here.
- Is there active work on Squeak for Windows CE? Any hope of updates? I
am interested in (possibly) using squeak as a delivery means and would be glad to put some work in to this.
There have been recent 2.8 ports to other platforms by a couple of Japanese members of the list. Diffs have been posted here for use with the latest version of the Microsoft Embedded Toolkit.
On Nov. 17, Yasuhiro KURAHARA kurahara@kobe.hp.com announced a Squeak 2.8 VM for Windows/CE. I haven't had time to make a version for the MIPS yet.
And Kazuhiro ABE pg3k-ab@asahi-net.or.jp used that to make a Squeak for the Pocket Post Pet, which is a VR4121 based PDA.
http://www.so-net.ne.jp/pocket/ http://member.nifty.ne.jp/abee/PopopeSqueak.ZIP
I get the impression that 2.8 development for Win32 in general is more or less stagnant, though Andreas has made his pre-2.8 sources available.
Here's the message from Kurahara-san: ---------- Squeak 2.8 VM for CE (Yasuhiro Kurahara, Fri Nov 17 01:10:05 2000)
Good news, isn't it?
I'm sending a patch and a project file to build it on Microsoft eMbedded Visual Tools 3.0. The patch file is a diff file to an Andreas Rabb's original (Squeak-pre-2_8-src.zip) and can be applied. The project file contains Japanese characters. It cannot be any problem.
I built for my Jornada 548. It works fine.
Kurahara ---------
I can send you his diff.out and SqueakCE.vcp attachments if you're interested.
There are some remaining UI problems with pen-based machines having to do with window sizing and menus; the window code assumes that mouse move events will occur when the button is not clicked (=pen is up), but this doesn't happen on a touch screen machine.
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