I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous.
Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms:
Observer Dependent (& variations) Publish-Subscribe (& variations) Callback Event Dispatch Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations) I have identified the following generalized options in this space:
Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image Object events (when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements (events are objects) by Lukas Renggli based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now AXAnnouncements by Levente Uzonyi and Kósi Balázs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues Signals (callbacks with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap on the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test Bindings by Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests Visual Smalltalk Events by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2 Wandering Announcements by Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code PostOffice by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me:
Morphic event handling, for handling user interface events OmniBrowser (now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events, MQTT client, for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices MVC, for user interfaces I have questions:
Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms? Is there anywhere else I should look? Did I describe each option correctly? Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find? Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained? Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options? In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals page (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package? Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above.
Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide!
-- Bren
Hi Brenda,
I can't speak to the various alternatives, but I followed your link to Lucas' historical repository at https://source.lukas-renggli.ch/announcements, and as you say the latest version loads cleanly in Squeak trunk. All the tests pass also, which is certainly a good sign.
I do not think that you need to worry about about maintenance of Lucas' code. After all, it if has survived nearly 10 years with zero maintenance since his last update, and it still loads cleanly and works in the latest Squeak, then it's not likely to need a lot of attention in the next ten years either.
What might make sense is to ask Lucas if he would agree to let someone put a full copy of his historical Announcements repository, along with attribution and license info and so forth, on squeaksource.com or ss3 so that you or other interested people could make updates in the future if needed. I can help with this if you and Lucas think it is a good idea.
Dave
On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 07:06:08PM -0500, Brenda Larcom wrote:
I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous.
Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms:
Observer Dependent (& variations) Publish-Subscribe (& variations) Callback Event Dispatch Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations) I have identified the following generalized options in this space:
Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image Object events (when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements (events are objects) by Lukas Renggli based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now AXAnnouncements by Levente Uzonyi and K??si Bal??zs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues Signals (callbacks with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap on the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test Bindings by Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests Visual Smalltalk Events by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2 Wandering Announcements by Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code PostOffice by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me:
Morphic event handling, for handling user interface events OmniBrowser (now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events, MQTT client, for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices MVC, for user interfaces I have questions:
Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms? Is there anywhere else I should look? Did I describe each option correctly? Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find? Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained? Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options? In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals page (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package? Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above.
Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide!
-- Bren
On 6/4/19, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Hi Brenda,
I can't speak to the various alternatives, but I followed your link to Lucas' historical repository at https://source.lukas-renggli.ch/announcements, and as you say the latest version loads cleanly in Squeak trunk. All the tests pass also, which is certainly a good sign.
I do not think that you need to worry about about maintenance of Lucas' code. After all, it if has survived nearly 10 years with zero maintenance since his last update, and it still loads cleanly and works in the latest Squeak, then it's not likely to need a lot of attention in the next ten years either.
What might make sense is to ask Lucas if he would agree to let someone put a full copy of his historical Announcements repository, along with attribution and license info and so forth, on squeaksource.com or ss3 so that you or other interested people could make updates in the future if needed. I can help with this if you and Lucas think it is a good idea.
Dave
Announcements Framework http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5734
has information about other versions including a port by Levente Uzonyi and Kósi Balázs which is available at http://www.squeaksource.com/AXAnnouncements.html
--Hannes
On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 07:06:08PM -0500, Brenda Larcom wrote:
I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous.
Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms:
Observer Dependent (& variations) Publish-Subscribe (& variations) Callback Event Dispatch Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations) I have identified the following generalized options in this space:
Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image Object events (when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements (events are objects) by Lukas Renggli based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now AXAnnouncements by Levente Uzonyi and K??si Bal??zs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues Signals (callbacks with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap on the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test Bindings by Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests Visual Smalltalk Events by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2 Wandering Announcements by Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code PostOffice by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me:
Morphic event handling, for handling user interface events OmniBrowser (now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events, MQTT client, for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices MVC, for user interfaces I have questions:
Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms? Is there anywhere else I should look? Did I describe each option correctly? Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find? Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained? Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options? In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals page (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package? Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above.
Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide!
-- Bren
Hi Brenda,
thank you for this comprehensive list! We should put that on wiki.squeak.org. :-)
Meanwhile, the Signals project lives on GitHub now and is integrated with smalltalkCI: https://github.com/hpi-swa/signals [https://github.com/hpi-swa/signals%5D%C2%A0Its main use cases are Widgets (https://github.com/hpi-swa/widgets [https://github.com/hpi-swa/widgets]) and Vivide (https://github.com/hpi-swa/vivide [https://github.com/hpi-swa/vivide]).
Best, Marcel Am 04.06.2019 02:06:24 schrieb Brenda Larcom asparagi@hhhh.org: I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous. Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms: * Observer * Dependent (& variations) * Publish-Subscribe (& variations) * Callback * Event Dispatch * Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations) I have identified the following generalized options in this space: * Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image * Object events [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1214%5D%C2%A0(when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image * Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/AnnouncementsFramework%5D%C2%A0(events are objects) * by Lukas Renggli [https://source.lukas-renggli.ch/announcements/%5D%C2%A0based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now * AXAnnouncements [http://www.squeaksource.com/AXAnnouncements/%5D%C2%A0by Levente Uzonyi and Kósi Balázs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues * Signals [https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/... with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap [http://map.squeak.org/package/9d91de11-d317-4d83-b7d4-2cb87a591d43%5D%C2%A0o... the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test * Bindings [http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/squeaksource/Bindings.html%5D%C2%A0... Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests * Visual Smalltalk Events [http://files.squeak.org/goodies/VSEvents.txt%5D%C2%A0by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies [http://files.squeak.org/goodies/VSEvents.7Augu1259am.cs%5D%C2%A0rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2 * Wandering Announcements [http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/seaside/2008-April/017540.html%5... Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code * PostOffice [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/687%5D%C2%A0by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me: * Morphic event handling [https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/118], for handling user interface events * OmniBrowser [https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5646%5D%C2%A0(now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events, * MQTT client [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/63], for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices * MVC [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1767], for user interfaces I have questions: * Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms? * Is there anywhere else I should look? * Did I describe each option correctly? * Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find? * Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained? * Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options? * In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals [https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/... (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package? Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above. Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide! -- Bren
Hi Brenda,
I just ran that benchmark again in Squeak Trunk using a recent VM.
Signals: 22 ms / 2 ms Object dependents: 2389 ms / 0 ms Object events: 4282 ms / 5 ms Announcements: 46 ms / 0 ms
Best, Marcel Am 04.06.2019 02:06:24 schrieb Brenda Larcom asparagi@hhhh.org: I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous. Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms: * Observer * Dependent (& variations) * Publish-Subscribe (& variations) * Callback * Event Dispatch * Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations) I have identified the following generalized options in this space: * Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image * Object events [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1214%5D%C2%A0(when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image * Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/AnnouncementsFramework%5D%C2%A0(events are objects) * by Lukas Renggli [https://source.lukas-renggli.ch/announcements/%5D%C2%A0based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now * AXAnnouncements [http://www.squeaksource.com/AXAnnouncements/%5D%C2%A0by Levente Uzonyi and Kósi Balázs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues * Signals [https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/... with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap [http://map.squeak.org/package/9d91de11-d317-4d83-b7d4-2cb87a591d43%5D%C2%A0o... the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test * Bindings [http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/squeaksource/Bindings.html%5D%C2%A0... Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests * Visual Smalltalk Events [http://files.squeak.org/goodies/VSEvents.txt%5D%C2%A0by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies [http://files.squeak.org/goodies/VSEvents.7Augu1259am.cs%5D%C2%A0rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2 * Wandering Announcements [http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/seaside/2008-April/017540.html%5... Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code * PostOffice [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/687%5D%C2%A0by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me: * Morphic event handling [https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/118], for handling user interface events * OmniBrowser [https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5646%5D%C2%A0(now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events, * MQTT client [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/63], for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices * MVC [http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1767], for user interfaces I have questions: * Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms? * Is there anywhere else I should look? * Did I describe each option correctly? * Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find? * Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained? * Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options? * In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals [https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/... (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package? Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above. Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide! -- Bren
Hi Marcel,
That current benchmark makes a big difference in my decision! Thank you for re-running it. From your numbers, it’s easy to understand why I was having performance problems before I switched to Announcements (from Object events, I think; it’s been a long time). I have objects with a large number of dependencies among them, and most times a user changes something, a long cascade of other changes (frequently including changes in dependencies) follows. Therefore, performance and debuggability are my two most-important selection criteria. It’s faintly amusing/embarrassing that past-me never benchmarked a typical ratio (for my models) of registering for updates to receiving updates. I’ll take Signals out for a test drive and see what I think.
Also, I apologize for misspelling your name in my post below. I try to get names right but slipped up this time.
— Bren
On Jun 4, 2019, at 2:54 AM, Marcel Taeumel marcel.taeumel@hpi.de wrote:
Hi Brenda,
I just ran that benchmark again in Squeak Trunk using a recent VM.
Signals: 22 ms / 2 ms Object dependents: 2389 ms / 0 ms Object events: 4282 ms / 5 ms Announcements: 46 ms / 0 ms
Best, Marcel
Am 04.06.2019 02:06:24 schrieb Brenda Larcom asparagi@hhhh.org:
I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous.
Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms:
Observer Dependent (& variations) Publish-Subscribe (& variations) Callback Event Dispatch Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations) I have identified the following generalized options in this space:
Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image Object events (when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements (events are objects) by Lukas Renggli based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now AXAnnouncements by Levente Uzonyi and Kósi Balázs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues Signals (callbacks with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap on the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test Bindings by Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests Visual Smalltalk Events by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2 Wandering Announcements by Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code PostOffice by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me:
Morphic event handling, for handling user interface events OmniBrowser (now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events, MQTT client, for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices MVC, for user interfaces I have questions:
Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms? Is there anywhere else I should look? Did I describe each option correctly? Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find? Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained? Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options? In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals page (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package? Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above.
Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide!
-- Bren
Hi Brenda,
On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Brenda Larcom wrote:
I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous.
Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms:
- Observer
- Dependent (& variations)
- Publish-Subscribe (& variations)
- Callback
- Event Dispatch
- Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations)
I have identified the following generalized options in this space:
- Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image
- Object events (when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image
- Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements (events are objects)
- by Lukas Renggli based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now
- AXAnnouncements by Levente Uzonyi and Kósi Balázs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues
Thanks for reporting this issue. It's fixed in Announcements-ul.2. (The package with the AX prefix in the same repository wasn't fixed). The code was not ported from VW but written from scratch based on Vassili's blog posts about Announcements, so there should be no copyright issues.
We also have an unpublished port of Ducts[1] aka Plumbing if you're interested in that.
Levente
[1] https://github.com/newspeaklanguage/newspeak/blob/master/Ducts.ns
- Signals (callbacks with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap on the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test
- Bindings by Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests
- Visual Smalltalk Events by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2
- Wandering Announcements by Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code
- PostOffice by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code
And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me:
- Morphic event handling, for handling user interface events
- OmniBrowser (now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events,
- MQTT client, for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices
- MVC, for user interfaces
I have questions:
- Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms?
- Is there anywhere else I should look?
- Did I describe each option correctly?
- Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find?
- Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained?
- Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options?
- In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals page (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package?
Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above.
Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide!
-- Bren
Hi Brenda,
Thanks for this thorough compilation. This is a very useful overview.
- Bernhard
Am 04.06.2019 um 02:06 schrieb Brenda Larcom asparagi@hhhh.org:
I am reviving some old code that relied heavily on Lukas Renggli's implementation of Announcements (many thanks to Lukas). Announcements still loads in Squeak 5.2, but it is marked as no longer maintained on Lukas' site and I cannot find a repository for it anywhere else, which makes me nervous.
Since I am reworking my code, now is the time for me to switch if I'm going to. I searched for alternatives in the Squeak release, in SqueakMap, on the Squeak wiki, and via DuckDuckGo using these search terms:
• Observer • Dependent (& variations) • Publish-Subscribe (& variations) • Callback • Event Dispatch • Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (& variations) I have identified the following generalized options in this space:
• Object dependencies (update, changed) - in stock image • Object events (when:send:to:, trigger:) - in stock image • Renditions of VisualWorks' Announcements (events are objects) • by Lukas Renggli based on Colin Putney's code from OmniBrowser & Vassili Bykov's blog post - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & passes its tests; as of 2009, Pharo intended to standardize on this implementation, and they have some (extended) Announcements framework in their stock image now • AXAnnouncements by Levente Uzonyi and Kósi Balázs - not in SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 & has one warning about a deprecated message in its tests; ported from VW, so maybe there are Cincom copyright issues • Signals (callbacks with constraints for usability) by Marcus Taeumel - in SqueakMap on the Web, but not in the catalog seen by SqueakMap Package Loader in 5.2; loads in 5.2 & fails one test • Bindings by Tobias Pape (this link doesn't work on Chrome on OS X Mojave; looks like maybe a two-way registration for mutual change updates) - not on SqueakMap; loads in 5.2 but fails its tests • Visual Smalltalk Events by Tim Jones (looks like a precursor to or alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - in Goodies rather than SqueakMap; does not load in 5.2 • Wandering Announcements by Keith Hodges (an extension to Lukas' Announcements that looks around nearby parts of a model to locate an object to handle an announcement) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code • PostOffice by Peter Smet (looks like an alternative implementation of the Object events that are now in the default image) - not on SqueakMap; couldn't locate code And for completeness, I also found other packages that implement [parts of] this pattern, but are specific to a particular domain that doesn't help me:
• Morphic event handling, for handling user interface events • OmniBrowser (now deprecated), for internal OmniBrowser events, • MQTT client, for subscribing to updates published by IoT devices • MVC, for user interfaces I have questions:
• Are these all the generalized options for the Observer pattern and the relatives I listed as search terms? • Is there anywhere else I should look? • Did I describe each option correctly? • Does anyone know of a public URL for any of the options whose source or documentation I couldn't find? • Are any of these options, to anyone's knowledge, being actively maintained? • Is the Squeak community planning to standardize on any of the generalized options? • In the absence of additional information, I am leaning towards sticking with Lukas' Announcements, because of the performance comparison chart on the Signals page (which I am assuming is approximately applicable to Lukas' Announcements as well as AXAnnouncements) and Pharo's standardization decision. Is there any reason that is not on the Signals comparision chart for me to prefer some other package? Before you ask, yes, I would definitely like to help the next person by updating the Squeak wiki so that it is easier to find and pick from these alternatives, creating a SqueakMap entry and ConfigurationOf for at least the one I choose, et cetera. I'll post a [DOCS] thread with my specific proposed wiki changes after I get feedback on the accuracy of the data above.
Thank you for reading, and for any assistance you can provide!
-- Bren
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