Following links from the Baloon3d page on squeak.org: http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/default there are/were versions for (1-1.0.3 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/1 , 2-1.0.4 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/2 ) --however both links end on pages with broken links to sars
Baloon3d home also has a dead link to a 'Balloon3D' removal package.
Qs: is there a copy of the original Baloon3D packages out there somewhere that might be used to build a new package, or is it necessary/desirable to start again? - any papers or design info that capture key decisions?
I'm aware that 3D on Squeak was in a way supeceded by Croquet/Cobalt However that has a rather different use-case. - I'm not too bothered by h/w acceleration. - an elegant/customisable renderer is of more interest so happy to have more of it in Smalltalk provided speed is tolerable
thanks, David Duke
https://www.squeaksource.com/Balloon3D.html
... but nobody has looked at it in a long time, and the "Squeak3D" plugin is not part of the current VM builds I think. It certainly has not been ported to 64 bits. That plugin contains the non-h/w accelerated primitives. I don't think it works without those primitives (even though with today's JIT VM it might even be usable).
Vanessa
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 1:49 PM David Duke duke.j.david@gmail.com wrote:
Following links from the Baloon3d page on squeak.org: http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/default there are/were versions for (1-1.0.3 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/1 , 2-1.0.4 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/2 ) --however both links end on pages with broken links to sars
Baloon3d home also has a dead link to a 'Balloon3D' removal package.
Qs: is there a copy of the original Baloon3D packages out there somewhere that might be used to build a new package, or is it necessary/desirable to start again?
- any papers or design info that capture key decisions?
I'm aware that 3D on Squeak was in a way supeceded by Croquet/Cobalt However that has a rather different use-case.
- I'm not too bothered by h/w acceleration.
- an elegant/customisable renderer is of more interest so happy to have
more of it in Smalltalk provided speed is tolerable
thanks, David Duke
Hi Vanessa,
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 2:10 PM Vanessa Freudenberg vanessa@codefrau.net wrote:
https://www.squeaksource.com/Balloon3D.html
... but nobody has looked at it in a long time, and the "Squeak3D" plugin is not part of the current VM builds I think. It certainly has not been ported to 64 bits. That plugin contains the non-h/w accelerated primitives. I don't think it works without those primitives (even though with today's JIT VM it might even be usable).
I believe that Squeak3D is included in all Sur/trunk VM builds. As Stephane said, he's written a game using it. Soe time last year a few of us collaborated im getting rid of the bugs, due mainly to Stephane having written the game which then forced us to debug the plugin code.
Vanessa
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 1:49 PM David Duke duke.j.david@gmail.com wrote:
Following links from the Baloon3d page on squeak.org: http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/default there are/were versions for (1-1.0.3 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/1 , 2-1.0.4 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/2 ) --however both links end on pages with broken links to sars
Baloon3d home also has a dead link to a 'Balloon3D' removal package.
Qs: is there a copy of the original Baloon3D packages out there somewhere that might be used to build a new package, or is it necessary/desirable to start again?
- any papers or design info that capture key decisions?
I'm aware that 3D on Squeak was in a way supeceded by Croquet/Cobalt However that has a rather different use-case.
- I'm not too bothered by h/w acceleration.
- an elegant/customisable renderer is of more interest so happy to have
more of it in Smalltalk provided speed is tolerable
thanks, David Duke
Oh cool! Yes I just saw Stephane’s message.
Did anyone try on 64 bits?
Vanessa
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:46 Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Vanessa,
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 2:10 PM Vanessa Freudenberg vanessa@codefrau.net wrote:
https://www.squeaksource.com/Balloon3D.html
... but nobody has looked at it in a long time, and the "Squeak3D" plugin is not part of the current VM builds I think. It certainly has not been ported to 64 bits. That plugin contains the non-h/w accelerated primitives. I don't think it works without those primitives (even though with today's JIT VM it might even be usable).
I believe that Squeak3D is included in all Sur/trunk VM builds. As Stephane said, he's written a game using it. Soe time last year a few of us collaborated im getting rid of the bugs, due mainly to Stephane having written the game which then forced us to debug the plugin code.
Vanessa
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 1:49 PM David Duke duke.j.david@gmail.com wrote:
Following links from the Baloon3d page on squeak.org:
http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/default there are/were versions for (1-1.0.3 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/1 , 2-1.0.4 http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/autoversion/2 ) --however both links end on pages with broken links to sars
Baloon3d home also has a dead link to a 'Balloon3D' removal package.
Qs: is there a copy of the original Baloon3D packages out there somewhere that might be used to build a new package, or is it necessary/desirable to start again?
- any papers or design info that capture key decisions?
I'm aware that 3D on Squeak was in a way supeceded by Croquet/Cobalt However that has a rather different use-case.
- I'm not too bothered by h/w acceleration.
- an elegant/customisable renderer is of more interest so happy to have
more of it in Smalltalk provided speed is tolerable
thanks, David Duke
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
On Jun 1, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Vanessa Freudenberg vanessa@codefrau.net wrote:
Oh cool! Yes I just saw Stephane’s message.
Did anyone try on 64 bits?
Indeed we did. We got things working in both 32 & 64 bits.
AFAIA the major thing not working right now is the MIDI plugin on MacOS because the current version uses the Carbon API no longer supported in 64 bits. I’d love to see someone shoe the MIDI plug-ins some love.
Vanessa
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:46 Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote: Hi Vanessa,
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 2:10 PM Vanessa Freudenberg vanessa@codefrau.net wrote: https://www.squeaksource.com/Balloon3D.html
... but nobody has looked at it in a long time, and the "Squeak3D" plugin is not part of the current VM builds I think. It certainly has not been ported to 64 bits. That plugin contains the non-h/w accelerated primitives. I don't think it works without those primitives (even though with today's JIT VM it might even be usable).
I believe that Squeak3D is included in all Sur/trunk VM builds. As Stephane said, he's written a game using it. Soe time last year a few of us collaborated im getting rid of the bugs, due mainly to Stephane having written the game which then forced us to debug the plugin code.
Vanessa
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 1:49 PM David Duke duke.j.david@gmail.com wrote: Following links from the Baloon3d page on squeak.org: http://map.squeak.org/package/178bd01c-f698-41ab-9c73-d9278c65c241/default there are/were versions for (1-1.0.3, 2-1.0.4) --however both links end on pages with broken links to sars
Baloon3d home also has a dead link to a 'Balloon3D' removal package.
Qs: is there a copy of the original Baloon3D packages out there somewhere that might be used to build a new package, or is it necessary/desirable to start again?
- any papers or design info that capture key decisions?
I'm aware that 3D on Squeak was in a way supeceded by Croquet/Cobalt However that has a rather different use-case.
- I'm not too bothered by h/w acceleration.
- an elegant/customisable renderer is of more interest so happy to have more of
it in Smalltalk provided speed is tolerable
thanks, David Duke
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
I made a game based on Wonderland and Balloon3D:
http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/guardians.htm
It loads and work on current Squeak images (the game is 5-2 based).
The Balloon3D package is featured in the source code archive (asr) available from the above page.
Best,
Stef
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