Thanks for the clarifications, Tim!

To try building the VM, I got the latest sources from GitHub (OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm) and did, mkdir build cd build cmake .. which is the standard cmake pattern.

stp

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On Dec 7, 2022, at 2:33 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:

Ah - MIDI is not built right now - https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/blob/latest-build/build.ma...

# Not working because no 64-bit QuickTime \ # MIDIPlugin \

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On 2022-12-07, at 2:19 PM, Stephen Travis Pope stephen@heaveneverywhere.com wrote:

Hello squeakers,

Is anyone distributing current Mac/ARM VMs with all the plug-ins pre-built?

I’d like to test the MIDI primitives, but it looks like the VM sources aren’t set up to build on Mac/ARM (the cmake command fails pretty early).

…any reply appreciated…

stp

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tim

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Hi Stephen,

we don’t use CMake except for the minheadless build. Please look in the HowToBuild files in each building subdirectory. If you start from README.md you’ll be guided as to the relevant build process.

_,,,^..^,,,_ (phone)

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:

Ah, being reminded of things on my todo list since ... oh well, 2016? narf -t

...

On 7. Dec 2022, at 23:33, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:

Ah - MIDI is not built right now - https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/blob/latest-build/build.ma...

# Not working because no 64-bit QuickTime \ # MIDIPlugin \

...

...

On 2022-12-07, at 2:19 PM, Stephen Travis Pope stephen@heaveneverywhere.com wrote:

Hello squeakers,

Is anyone distributing current Mac/ARM VMs with all the plug-ins pre-built?

I’d like to test the MIDI primitives, but it looks like the VM sources aren’t set up to build on Mac/ARM (the cmake command fails pretty early).

…any reply appreciated…

stp

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Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA <pastedGraphic.tiff> http://HeavenEverywhere.com http://FASTLabInc.com https://vimeo.com/user19434036/videos http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections

tim

Hi Stephen,

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 10:21 AM Stephen Travis Pope < stephen@heaveneverywhere.com> wrote:

Mille Grazie!

I’ll port the FFI library I have for MIDI (using PortMIDI) to be prims.

Interesting!! What platform(s) does this run on so far? Can it run on Windows also? Maybe keeping it as an FFI interface is good for the community. We have, e.g. ideas for how to seal an FFI so that one cannot use functions outside of a defined API. This would give the same security properties as a plugin without the costs, complexities and limitations of plugins. In any case if you do go for a plugin based solution think of using SmartSyntaxInterpreterPlugin, and I've made some improvements in the support for these, as exemplified by MP4MediaFilePlugin, a work in progress as far as the mp4 side of things, but up-to-the-minute in terms of the MP4MediaFilePlugin side of things.

stp

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On Dec 7, 2022, at 11:39 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Stephen,

we don’t use CMake except for the minheadless build. Please look in the HowToBuild files in each building subdirectory. If you start from README.md you’ll be guided as to the relevant build process.

_,,,^..^,,,_ (phone)

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:

Ah, being reminded of things on my todo list since ... oh well, 2016? narf -t

On 7. Dec 2022, at 23:33, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:

Ah - MIDI is not built right now -

https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/blob/latest-build/build.ma...

# Not working because no 64-bit QuickTime \ # MIDIPlugin \

On 2022-12-07, at 2:19 PM, Stephen Travis Pope < stephen@heaveneverywhere.com> wrote:

Hello squeakers,

Is anyone distributing current Mac/ARM VMs with all the plug-ins pre-built?

I’d like to test the MIDI primitives, but it looks like the VM sources aren’t set up to build on Mac/ARM (the cmake command fails pretty early).

…any reply appreciated…

stp

---

Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA <pastedGraphic.tiff> http://HeavenEverywhere.com http://FASTLabInc.com https://vimeo.com/user19434036/videos http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections

tim

On Dec 10, 2022, at 7:11 AM, Stephen Travis Pope stephen@heaveneverywhere.com wrote:

Thanks all for the responses,

I now have the Siren MIDI prims (originally written for use with VisualWorks DLLCC) running as an FFI library with Squeak.

The system uses PortMidi, which supports (at least) Mac, Windoze and Linux.

I’ll distribute it as soon as it’s stable and tested, and it’d be great to have it a primitives so that users don’t have to install anything and it’d be faster (less copying).

Woot! I’ll be glad to help with the primitives bit. Welcome to the Squeak community, Stephen!!

stp

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Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA

 http://HeavenEverywhere.com
 http://FASTLabInc.com
 https://vimeo.com/user19434036/videos
 http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections

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On Dec 8, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Stephen,

...

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 10:21 AM Stephen Travis Pope stephen@heaveneverywhere.com wrote:

Mille Grazie!

I’ll port the FFI library I have for MIDI (using PortMIDI) to be prims.

Interesting!! What platform(s) does this run on so far? Can it run on Windows also? Maybe keeping it as an FFI interface is good for the community. We have, e.g. ideas for how to seal an FFI so that one cannot use functions outside of a defined API. This would give the same security properties as a plugin without the costs, complexities and limitations of plugins. In any case if you do go for a plugin based solution think of using SmartSyntaxInterpreterPlugin, and I've made some improvements in the support for these, as exemplified by MP4MediaFilePlugin, a work in progress as far as the mp4 side of things, but up-to-the-minute in terms of the MP4MediaFilePlugin side of things.

...

stp

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Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA <pastedGraphic.tiff> http://HeavenEverywhere.com http://FASTLabInc.com https://vimeo.com/user19434036/videos http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections

...

On Dec 7, 2022, at 11:39 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Stephen,

we don’t use CMake except for the minheadless build. Please look in the HowToBuild files in each building subdirectory. If you start from README.md you’ll be guided as to the relevant build process.

_,,,^..^,,,_ (phone)

...

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:

Ah, being reminded of things on my todo list since ... oh well, 2016? narf -t

...

On 7. Dec 2022, at 23:33, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:

Ah - MIDI is not built right now - https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/blob/latest-build/build.ma...

# Not working because no 64-bit QuickTime \ # MIDIPlugin \

>> On 2022-12-07, at 2:19 PM, Stephen Travis Pope stephen@heaveneverywhere.com wrote: > > > Hello squeakers, > > Is anyone distributing current Mac/ARM VMs with all the plug-ins pre-built? > > I’d like to test the MIDI primitives, but it looks like the VM sources aren’t set up to build on Mac/ARM (the cmake command fails pretty early). > > …any reply appreciated… > > stp > > -------- > > Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA > <pastedGraphic.tiff> > http://HeavenEverywhere.com > http://FASTLabInc.com > https://vimeo.com/user19434036/videos > http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections > > > >

tim

-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot