Hi,
out of interest in Smalltalk and embedded systems, I am looking for the only text mode smalltalk I know of, Digitalk methods. The best my google fu has come up with is a reference to the old forum (dating back to 2007): http://forum.world.st/Check-out-the-Smalltalk-Archeology-page-Smalltalk-80-a... http://forum.world.st/Check-out-the-Smalltalk-Archeology-page-Smalltalk-80-and-more-td61347.html Sadly, wayback has noch archived the binaries.
I was wondering whether someone from this list might still have a copy of methods, or maybe somebody knows whether there is some similar page still online?
Best regards Martin
Martin Dahl wrote on: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:26:41 +0200
out of interest in Smalltalk and embedded systems, I am looking for the only text mode smalltalk I know of, Digitalk methods.
GNU Smalltalk and Little Smalltalk are also text only. There there was a version of Squeak for MS-DOS without graphics, but it was not as usable as these two.
For Little Smalltalk there are four rather different versions. Version 1 is what is described in the book:
http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/FreeBooks/LittleSmalltalk/ALittleSmalltalk.pdf
Version 3 is very similar to Smalltalk-76 (all classes are instances of Class) while version 4 is like Smalltalk-80 (with metaclasses). Each of these versions have had interesting forks over the years trying to remove some of the limitations.
https://github.com/crcx/littlesmalltalk
https://github.com/pgregory/tumbleweed
The best my google fu has come up with is a reference to the old forum (dating back to 2007): http://forum.world.st/Check-out-the-Smalltalk-Archeology-page-Smalltalk-80-a... Sadly, wayback has noch archived the binaries. I was wondering whether someone from this list might still have a copy of methods, or maybe somebody knows whether there is some similar page still online?
I should have a copy, though I have no idea if the floppy disks are readable after all these years. I will take a look. But I would think any current project would have better results with the open source alternative I mentioned above than with a binary solution like Methods.
Note that Methods is not really text only. It has a traditional Smalltalk GUI which happens to use the CGA text mode. And that is something that might not make sense in an embedded system.
-- Jecel
The snapshot from 03/24/07 works:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070324070352/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do... [http://web.archive.org/web/20070324070352/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do...] http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do... [http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do...]
http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do... [http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do...]
Best, Marcel Am 19.09.2017 20:32:03 schrieb Jecel Assumpcao Jr. jecel@merlintec.com: Martin Dahl wrote on: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:26:41 +0200
out of interest in Smalltalk and embedded systems, I am looking for the only text mode smalltalk I know of, Digitalk methods.
GNU Smalltalk and Little Smalltalk are also text only. There there was a version of Squeak for MS-DOS without graphics, but it was not as usable as these two.
For Little Smalltalk there are four rather different versions. Version 1 is what is described in the book:
http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/FreeBooks/LittleSmalltalk/ALittleSmalltalk.pdf
Version 3 is very similar to Smalltalk-76 (all classes are instances of Class) while version 4 is like Smalltalk-80 (with metaclasses). Each of these versions have had interesting forks over the years trying to remove some of the limitations.
https://github.com/crcx/littlesmalltalk
https://github.com/pgregory/tumbleweed
The best my google fu has come up with is a reference to the old forum (dating back to 2007): http://forum.world.st/Check-out-the-Smalltalk-Archeology-page-Smalltalk-80-a... Sadly, wayback has noch archived the binaries. I was wondering whether someone from this list might still have a copy of methods, or maybe somebody knows whether there is some similar page still online?
I should have a copy, though I have no idea if the floppy disks are readable after all these years. I will take a look. But I would think any current project would have better results with the open source alternative I mentioned above than with a binary solution like Methods.
Note that Methods is not really text only. It has a traditional Smalltalk GUI which happens to use the CGA text mode. And that is something that might not make sense in an embedded system.
-- Jecel
Thanks, I have not realised that one of the snaphots actually did capture the binaries. /Martin
On 20. Sep 2017, at 08:14, Marcel Taeumel marcel.taeumel@hpi.de wrote:
The snapshot from 03/24/07 works:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070324070352/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do... http://web.archive.org/web/20070324070352/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/download/methods11.zip http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do... http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/download/stv3-dos-installed.zip
http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/do... http://web.archive.org/web/20070320232853/http://bitquabit.com:80/rev/old/download/ReadMe.html
Best, Marcel
Am 19.09.2017 20:32:03 schrieb Jecel Assumpcao Jr. jecel@merlintec.com:
Martin Dahl wrote on: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:26:41 +0200
out of interest in Smalltalk and embedded systems, I am looking for the only text mode smalltalk I know of, Digitalk methods.
GNU Smalltalk and Little Smalltalk are also text only. There there was a version of Squeak for MS-DOS without graphics, but it was not as usable as these two.
For Little Smalltalk there are four rather different versions. Version 1 is what is described in the book:
http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/FreeBooks/LittleSmalltalk/ALittleSmalltalk.pdf
Version 3 is very similar to Smalltalk-76 (all classes are instances of Class) while version 4 is like Smalltalk-80 (with metaclasses). Each of these versions have had interesting forks over the years trying to remove some of the limitations.
https://github.com/crcx/littlesmalltalk
https://github.com/pgregory/tumbleweed
The best my google fu has come up with is a reference to the old forum (dating back to 2007): http://forum.world.st/Check-out-the-Smalltalk-Archeology-page-Smalltalk-80-a... Sadly, wayback has noch archived the binaries. I was wondering whether someone from this list might still have a copy of methods, or maybe somebody knows whether there is some similar page still online?
I should have a copy, though I have no idea if the floppy disks are readable after all these years. I will take a look. But I would think any current project would have better results with the open source alternative I mentioned above than with a binary solution like Methods.
Note that Methods is not really text only. It has a traditional Smalltalk GUI which happens to use the CGA text mode. And that is something that might not make sense in an embedded system.
-- Jecel
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