I send direct to this list because I don't have response to mails what I send to morphic - list
I continue trying to figure the elusive unloading of Nebraska.
In several different images I have problems.
In particular, in NebraskaServer comment you read.
To start a server, execute the following code: NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World
To start a client, run the following in another image: NetworkTerminalMorph openAndConnectTo: 'servername'
This don't work in 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 or 3.9, so I wish advice
Very thanks.
Edgar
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On 18.01.2006, at 11:21, Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I send direct to this list because I don't have response to mails what I send to morphic - list
I continue trying to figure the elusive unloading of Nebraska.
In several different images I have problems.
In particular, in NebraskaServer comment you read.
To start a server, execute the following code: NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World
To start a client, run the following in another image: NetworkTerminalMorph openAndConnectTo: 'servername'
This don't work in 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 or 3.9, so I wish advice
My guess is that Nebraska is just broken for a long time. I don't think that anyone is using it actively.
Marcus
Marcus Denker wrote:
On 18.01.2006, at 11:21, Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I send direct to this list because I don't have response to mails what I send to morphic - list
I continue trying to figure the elusive unloading of Nebraska.
In several different images I have problems.
In particular, in NebraskaServer comment you read.
To start a server, execute the following code: NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World
To start a client, run the following in another image: NetworkTerminalMorph openAndConnectTo: 'servername'
This don't work in 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 or 3.9, so I wish advice
My guess is that Nebraska is just broken for a long time. I don't think that anyone is using it actively.
Marcus
Tried the squeakland image? IIRC I think it is working there...
Chrisp
On 18.01.2006, at 11:29, chrisp wrote:
My guess is that Nebraska is just broken for a long time. I don't think that anyone is using it actively. Marcus
Tried the squeakland image? IIRC I think it is working there...
Which reminds me that the squeakland image contains fixes that should definitely be added to 3.9a...
Marcus
chrisp puso en su mail :
Tried the squeakland image? IIRC I think it is working there...
Chrisp
Nope. The question goes because we wish unload from official image.
On trying to do a clean unload, I do a small reorganization and , as Juan suggest, a subclass of WorldState whose only existence is in this case. I doing all kind of experiments, including Internet Nebraska for seeing what happened.
Removing via Monticello, lets Obsolete things what I try to chase .
As Markus said, maybe is time to remove, and change to NetMorphs via to loading from SM.
Edgar
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Marcus and Edgar,
My guess is that Nebraska is just broken for a long time. I don't think that anyone is using it actively.
While I agree with this, Nebraska does work in the Squeakland image.
Also note that it doesn't work if the evil Squeaky Mouse is on the server screen. To try it, create a new Morphic project first.
-- Yoshiki
Yoshiki Ohshima puso en su mail :
While I agree with this, Nebraska does work in the Squeakland image.
Also note that it doesn't work if the evil Squeaky Mouse is on the server screen. To try it, create a new Morphic project first.
-- Yoshiki
Yoshiki :
Very thanks.
If NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World don't blow the image (as happened to my 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 and 3.9), then Markus should integrate on the main, as he said
I do a new unload/load .mcz Monticello and if all works, we could unload and let the package on SqueakMap for someone to maintain.
I was able to load the last what I do, Nebraska-edc.7.mcz on SqueakLight (what of course know nothing about).
The tools what work in normal Squeak, as chat and listener , are working and tomorrow I do final test .
Related questions about Nebraska what perhaps you know.
1) Is possible have two images on same machine? (I can't do this)
2) Is possible use Nebraska when one of users is behind a proxy, router or other (I can do one way sending)
Thanks in advance.
Edgar
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Edgar,
If NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World don't blow the image (as happened to my 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 and 3.9), then Markus should integrate on the main, as he said
It shouldn't have any technical obstacle to port the code from Squeakland to fix 3.8 and 3.9. As long as the Squeaky mouse is not on screen, it should work.
I do a new unload/load .mcz Monticello and if all works, we could unload and let the package on SqueakMap for someone to maintain.
I was able to load the last what I do, Nebraska-edc.7.mcz on SqueakLight (what of course know nothing about).
The tools what work in normal Squeak, as chat and listener , are working and tomorrow I do final test .
Related questions about Nebraska what perhaps you know.
- Is possible have two images on same machine? (I can't do this)
Yes. You can simply use 127.0.0.1 as the server address.
- Is possible use Nebraska when one of users is behind a proxy, router or
other (I can do one way sending)
Nebraska uses only one connection from client to server, so if the server (server port) is visible to client, it it possible.
-- Yoshiki
On 24.01.2006, at 04:28, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
Edgar,
If NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World don't blow the image (as happened to my 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 and 3.9), then Markus should integrate on the main, as he said
It shouldn't have any technical obstacle to port the code from Squeakland to fix 3.8 and 3.9. As long as the Squeaky mouse is not on screen, it should work.
Why were the fixes from squeakland never be integrated in 3.8? I would guess that especially the internatialalization related fixed would be quite important even for Tweak.
Especially strange is that you back then just loaded the Connectors.sar without caring about all the extensions it does. This looks to me looks like a recipe for desaster.
Did squeakland at all contact the smallland people to discuss about a shared code base? It does no sound very good to ignore the largest squeak-in-schools project outside of japan, especially for bug fixes and improvements for work with older kids.
The biggest problem is, I think, that this gives a really bad impression to people...
Marcus
Hi, Marcus,
It shouldn't have any technical obstacle to port the code from Squeakland to fix 3.8 and 3.9. As long as the Squeaky mouse is not on screen, it should work.
Why were the fixes from squeakland never be integrated in 3.8? I would guess that especially the internatialalization related fixed would be quite important even for Tweak.
Note, however, that the 3.8 release *does* contain bunch of changes from former Squeakland image. (Thanks to Michael.)
It is just a slow process and, the possible "3.8.1" is a good time to merge some changes between them.
Especially strange is that you back then just loaded the Connectors.sar without caring about all the extensions it does. This looks to me looks like a recipe for desaster.
I'm not sure about the issue you described.
Did squeakland at all contact the smallland people to discuss about a shared code base?
We do.
It does no sound very good to ignore the largest squeak-in-schools project outside of japan, especially for bug fixes and improvements for work with older kids.
We don't ignore it.
The biggest problem is, I think, that this gives a really bad impression to people...
I'm not sure about this. If we consider these different "distributions" or some sort, it is not as bad as that.
I don't oppose to communicate and move the patches around images. But how often is a bit different question.
-- Yoshiki
Am 30.01.2006 um 21:20 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima:
Hi, Marcus,
Especially strange is that you back then just loaded the Connectors.sar without caring about all the extensions it does. This looks to me looks like a recipe for desaster.
I'm not sure about the issue you described.
When connectors were loaded into the Squeakland image, we did not notice that the SAR also installed a gazillion patches for various system methods. It would have been much easier to fix at that time, but we only noticed it a few dozens changesets later. It was a major pain to weed out the changes afterwards, and I'm pretty sure we're not done, yet.
Well, such things happen. Bad luck.
- Bert -
I see. Now the question for us is how can we (without losing too much time) incorporate the change made in Squeakland into 3.9. Any idea besides going step by step over all the changes? Gloops.
Stef
Especially strange is that you back then just loaded the Connectors.sar without caring about all the extensions it does. This looks to me looks like a recipe for desaster.
When connectors were loaded into the Squeakland image, we did not notice that the SAR also installed a gazillion patches for various system methods. It would have been much easier to fix at that time, but we only noticed it a few dozens changesets later. It was a major pain to weed out the changes afterwards, and I'm pretty sure we're not done, yet.
Well, such things happen. Bad luck.
- Bert -
stéphane ducasse wrote:
I see. Now the question for us is how can we (without losing too much time) incorporate the change made in Squeakland into 3.9. Any idea besides going step by step over all the changes? Gloops.
I already collected all the changes, including the ones the connector stuff did to system classes. My plan is to file those into a 3.8 to get the real diffs and work with Marcus and the others on what and how incorporate the stuff into 3.9 or 3.8.1 where appropriate. Just came back from C5 in Berkeley, so hopefully I will find time end of this week.
Michael
Excellent. Let me know if you need help.
Stef
On 31 janv. 06, at 10:33, Michael Rueger wrote:
stéphane ducasse wrote:
I see. Now the question for us is how can we (without losing too much time) incorporate the change made in Squeakland into 3.9. Any idea besides going step by step over all the changes? Gloops.
I already collected all the changes, including the ones the connector stuff did to system classes. My plan is to file those into a 3.8 to get the real diffs and work with Marcus and the others on what and how incorporate the stuff into 3.9 or 3.8.1 where appropriate. Just came back from C5 in Berkeley, so hopefully I will find time end of this week.
Michael
Yoshiki Ohshima puso en su mail :
Yes. You can simply use 127.0.0.1 as the server address.
I repeat something what I do a while ago.
1) Take a fresh Squeak3.6-5429-basic.image and changes, duplicate via OS X for having Squeak3.6-5429-basic copy.image and changes.
2) Open each in a different VM
3) Open a Listener and a Badge on both
Messages seems go one way only, to a first of both what I turn the Listener on.
If I change to my regular IP , the behavior is the same. What I usually do is grab one Ellipse, star or similar from flaps, throw to Badge and watch the object showing on Listener
Nebraska uses only one connection from client to server, so if the server (server port) is visible to client, it it possible.
Similar situations. With a couple of friends, they could send me messages , but when I try to reply to they , a no connection to x.x.x.x message shows
Any Ideas ?
Thanks in advance.
edgar
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Edgar,
- Take a fresh Squeak3.6-5429-basic.image and changes, duplicate via OS X
for having Squeak3.6-5429-basic copy.image and changes.
Open each in a different VM
Open a Listener and a Badge on both
Evaluate:
NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World
on one side, and open the badge on the other side. Type 127.0.0.1 into the badge, and press 'S' button.
-- Yoshiki
Yoshiki Ohshima puso en su mail :
Edgar,
- Take a fresh Squeak3.6-5429-basic.image and changes, duplicate via OS X
for having Squeak3.6-5429-basic copy.image and changes.
Open each in a different VM
Open a Listener and a Badge on both
Evaluate:
NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World
on one side, and open the badge on the other side. Type 127.0.0.1 into the badge, and press 'S' button.
-- Yoshiki
Yoshiki, you are a master.
This works, exact as you said. ( in 3.8 Extremadura image used by Diego for his new book). And maybe that is the last image in what Nebraska performs as designed.
I find the attached walkback in 3.9.6705, try to found if I can fix. Still wonder why the communication is one side only in the other cases I send.
Very, very thanks.
Edgar
Edgar,
This works, exact as you said. ( in 3.8 Extremadura image used by Diego for his new book). And maybe that is the last image in what Nebraska performs as designed.
Good.
I find the attached walkback in 3.9.6705, try to found if I can fix. Still wonder why the communication is one side only in the other cases I send.
Three fixes in Squeakland (http://www.squeakland.org/installers/SqueakPluginImage-dev.zip and update stream for it):
0503NebraskaText-yo 0506nebraskaBuffer2-yo 0525NebraskaFontSet
should fix the problem you described here.
-- Yoshiki
Hi Edgar,
I used Nebraska in a 3.6 image with Seaside to remote control the application and it worked well. The only drawback is that you must set morphic to move window with full redrawing, IIt doesn't work well when window are fast moved (only edges redrawn).
I think this is an elegant and simple solution to control remote images. This is bad to loose this feature even if VNC could be a replacement but is a more heavyweight solution.
I will try Nebraska in images > 3.6
Alain
On 18 janv. 06, at 11:21, Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
I send direct to this list because I don't have response to mails what I send to morphic - list
I continue trying to figure the elusive unloading of Nebraska.
In several different images I have problems.
In particular, in NebraskaServer comment you read.
To start a server, execute the following code: NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World
To start a client, run the following in another image: NetworkTerminalMorph openAndConnectTo: 'servername'
This don't work in 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 or 3.9, so I wish advice
Very thanks.
Edgar
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Alain Fischer puso en su mail :
Hi Edgar,
I used Nebraska in a 3.6 image with Seaside to remote control the application and it worked well. The only drawback is that you must set morphic to move window with full redrawing, IIt doesn't work well when window are fast moved (only edges redrawn).
I think this is an elegant and simple solution to control remote images. This is bad to loose this feature even if VNC could be a replacement but is a more heavyweight solution.
I will try Nebraska in images > 3.6
Alain
Alain, thanks. Nebraska works if you use chat, send objects, and for many things. The case what I saying don't only don't work, your image blows to console debugger. Try yourself and see
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