About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this might leverage smalltalk development on Android?
http://code.google.com/p/squeak-android-vm/
I bought a Xoom on Monday and downloaded Squeak onto it from Android Market. It works. It's very small. And there's no keyboard. There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never be. I'm beyond caring at this point.
You need to download the Android SDK and then because you're building a non-Java app you need to download the NDK (N for Native.) All of this is built into Eclipse.
Andreas provides all the files you load into the NDK/jni compiling suite. You get a set of vm C files for compiling. He wrote one that bridges to Android called squeakvm.c. Then you compile a file called libsqueakvm.so.
He's included an image, which for reasons I haven't reached yet has been sliced into 12 1M pieces. He also wrote some Java files, which act as a wrapper between Android and Squeak. They handle the Android "Aspect" and "Intent" or something. I just got the books so it's a bit hazy.
Oh, the Dalvik debugger is essential. And RFB is used for some reason I can't fathom yet. And development happens using an emulator provided by the Android SDK. Whether I'm supposed to build or find the device description (the AVD - for Android Virtual Device) at this point that describes the Xoom, I'm not sure.
It's a pretty fun exploration. Now you know all I do. Really, I just want to make the screen bigger. That's related to this in squeakvm.c:
sqInt ioScreenSize(void) { return ( 800<< 16 ) | (600) }
I have no idea how a left bit shift produces a screen size near the 300x200 pixels that I get on my Xoom. But if I knew what I was doing I wouldn't do it.
Chris
"Chris" == Chris Cunnington smalltalktelevision@gmail.com writes:
Chris> There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never Chris> be. I'm beyond caring at this point.
That's a bit misleading. At last count, there were *four* iphone apps from John Mcintosh in the app store that are absolutely squeak.
What you *can't* do in the app store is provide programmibility to the end user, especially being able to download apps that aren't from the app store for your interpreter.
But you're more than welcome to use Squeak (leveraging from John's work) to build iPhone apps. I hope more come along.
Please limit the FUD. Thank you.
On 5/27/2011 2:09, Chris Cunnington wrote:
About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this might leverage smalltalk development on Android?
http://code.google.com/p/squeak-android-vm/
I bought a Xoom on Monday and downloaded Squeak onto it from Android Market. It works. It's very small. And there's no keyboard. There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never be. I'm beyond caring at this point.
You need to download the Android SDK and then because you're building a non-Java app you need to download the NDK (N for Native.) All of this is built into Eclipse.
Andreas provides all the files you load into the NDK/jni compiling suite. You get a set of vm C files for compiling. He wrote one that bridges to Android called squeakvm.c. Then you compile a file called libsqueakvm.so.
He's included an image, which for reasons I haven't reached yet has been sliced into 12 1M pieces.
Because for some inexplicable reason, you could not load assets larger than 1MB in a chunk when I tried. So I said #@!$%^W^W^W^W thank you Google, and split 'em up :-)
He also wrote some Java files, which act as a wrapper between Android and Squeak. They handle the Android "Aspect" and "Intent" or something. I just got the books so it's a bit hazy.
It's basically dealing with the UI aspects of Android. "Intents" have little to do with it actually; intents are more like DDE verbs (i.e., "open", "edit" etc) describing the kind of activity you're trying to do with some bit of data.
Oh, the Dalvik debugger is essential. And RFB is used for some reason I can't fathom yet. And development happens using an emulator provided by the Android SDK. Whether I'm supposed to build or find the device description (the AVD - for Android Virtual Device) at this point that describes the Xoom, I'm not sure.
RFB can be useful if you're trying to run the app in the background. some people had been playing with it.
It's a pretty fun exploration. Now you know all I do. Really, I just want to make the screen bigger. That's related to this in squeakvm.c:
sqInt ioScreenSize(void) { return ( 800<< 16 ) | (600) }
I have no idea how a left bit shift produces a screen size near the 300x200 pixels that I get on my Xoom. But if I knew what I was doing I wouldn't do it.
Hm .... this should be in org.squeak.android.SqueakView.java. If you change the initialization you should get a proper display bitmap.
Cheers, - Andreas
There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never be. I'm beyond caring at this point.
One of the things I plan to do this year is get a full Squeak onto the Cydia app store (for jailbroken iOS devices).
-C
-- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 06 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547
Now that would be nice ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Craig Latta Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:42 PM To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [squeak-dev] re: cog vm for iOS
There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never be. I'm beyond caring at this point.
One of the things I plan to do this year is get a full Squeak onto the Cydia app store (for jailbroken iOS devices).
-C
-- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 06 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547
Apple is being really greedy tring to lock down the device like this. Also the RCAA and the MPAA were twisting arms as well. Bu people just end up jailbreaking them and doing it anyway. :-) Sean
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Craig Latta Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:42 PM To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [squeak-dev] re: cog vm for iOS
There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never be. I'm beyond caring at this point.
One of the things I plan to do this year is get a full Squeak onto the Cydia app store (for jailbroken iOS devices).
-C
-- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 06 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547
On 5/27/11 7:41 AM, "Craig Latta" craig@netjam.org wrote:
One of the things I plan to do this year is get a full Squeak ontothe Cydia app store (for jailbroken iOS devices).
I have two running from a while. The John Mk Intosh server on top Pharo and the Etoys image . As is very difficult tap in the right place and none have iPad keyboard support is the only a toy demo.
Ahh, Ipad seems unable to write with his software keyboard in web apps like Aida using tinymce javascript.
Edgar
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