Early download at:
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10alpha/Squeak3dot10.7159.zip
It's the same as gamma with the Welcome window texrt from Ralph.
Please people in charge of ftp site , move to appropriate place and actualize squeak.org page.
In minutes I could be on IRC and Skype for start to exchange ideas for 3.11, before next meeting on Monday 24 at 18:00 UTC.
Give us your view , participate with ideas, feedback, etc.
Edgar
Hi Edgar,
Isn't there something wrong with the URL? If it is a final gama, why is it in the alpha folder?
Regards, Noury On 20 mars 08, at 13:04, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
Early download at:
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10alpha/Squeak3dot10.7159.zip
It's the same as gamma with the Welcome window texrt from Ralph.
Please people in charge of ftp site , move to appropriate place and actualize squeak.org page.
In minutes I could be on IRC and Skype for start to exchange ideas for 3.11, before next meeting on Monday 24 at 18:00 UTC.
Give us your view , participate with ideas, feedback, etc.
Edgar
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El 3/20/08 11:05 AM, "Noury Bouraqadi" bouraqadi@ensm-douai.fr escribió:
Hi Edgar,
Isn't there something wrong with the URL? If it is a final gama, why is it in the alpha folder?
I put there for commodity, could move to appropriate place if I have privileges.
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10/Squeak3dot10.7159.zip is the right one ?
Edgar
2008/3/20, Vladimir Pogorelenko vladimir@livesystems.ru:
20.03.2008, в 15:04, Edgar J. De Cleene написал(а):
ideas for 3.11,
Give us your view , participate with ideas, feedback, etc.
Official and complete support for input and output in multiple languages (Unicode) in all major environments like Mac OS X, Windows, Linux.
The attached cs does it, at least for spanish. Regards.
Thanks José, I am been able to enter native text on Mac and I really appreciate it. So now I see that it at least usable on Mac. And that really makes changes...
Now I'm expiriencing minor (?) bug with it. It complies when entering text.randomly somewhere in GrafPort#copyBitsColor... and FreeTypeFont#displayLineGlyphOn: with "primitive has failed". May be problem with FreeType. Did you meet a similar problem?
So if it works I don't know why it's not yet the part of squeak. Is it a quick fix?
Official and complete support for input and output in multiple languages (Unicode) in all major environments like Mac OS X, Windows, Linux.
The attached cs does it, at least for spanish. Regards. <UnicodeInputSupport-jlrr.1.cs>
Hi,
"Vladimir Pogorelenko" vladimir@livesystems.ru wrote in message news:45D3900F-D260-4C42-A958-6EC4F6A8A573@livesystems.ru... ...snip...
Now I'm expiriencing minor (?) bug with it. It complies when entering text.randomly somewhere in GrafPort#copyBitsColor... and FreeTypeFont#displayLineGlyphOn: with "primitive has failed". May be problem with FreeType. Did you meet a similar problem?
You need to install the modified bitblt plugin from here... ftp://ftp.smalltalkconsulting.com/experimental/BitBltPlugin.v1.0.0b1.FreeTypePlus.bundle.zip
Cheers, Andy
El 3/20/08 12:59 PM, "José Luis Redrejo" jredrejo@gmail.com escribió:
2008/3/20, Vladimir Pogorelenko vladimir@livesystems.ru:
20.03.2008, в 15:04, Edgar J. De Cleene написал(а):
ideas for 3.11,
Give us your view , participate with ideas, feedback, etc.
Official and complete support for input and output in multiple languages (Unicode) in all major environments like Mac OS X, Windows, Linux.
The attached cs does it, at least for spanish. Regards.
Gracias José, I take your request Vladimir.
Edgar
Great work Edgar.
I'm putting together a news article on this, but it's proving difficult for me to pin down the details of what's happened in this release. Could anyone help me by correcting or confirming the bracket areas of text below:
Thanks, Michael
===BEGIN=== Squeak version 3.10 has just been released onto the servers at http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10/ - the squeak.org downloads page will soon be updated to point to this new version.
The goal of the 3.10 release was to improve the process of making Squeak releases and to improve the quality of the code. The release team concentrated on improving the coverage of unit tests, in making Squeak more modular, and in getting rid of non-core and unsupported code. In addition, many bugs were fixed. [According to mantis, 28 bugs were fixed by 3.10 - is this right?]
Highlights were: - Removal of non-core packages including eToys and Nebraska. - Consistent use of Monticello to manage package dependencies. - Package Universes for improved compatibility between packages. - Bug policy requiring all fixes to include unit tests. - All code under old licences has been identified, and [all/much/some???] of it replaced. [- Integration of the new OmniBrowser framework???] [- Improved stability???] [- Improved performance???] [- Smaller memory usage???] [- .....?????]
Thanks to the 3.10 release team including Ralph Johnson, Edgar De Cleene, Matthew Fulmer, Craig Latta, [XXXX others?]. Their work has given us an excellent release, and one which will be a great starting point for eventual progress to 4.0!
For more information about this release, see: [ Are there release notes? The best I can find is http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5919 which is not great ]
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:40:13AM -0700, Craig Latta wrote:
Hi Michael--
...Thanks to the 3.10 release team including Ralph Johnson, Edgar De Cleene, Matthew Fulmer, Craig Latta...
I wasn't on the release team.
Neither was I
i'm noticed that menu icons are drawn w/o antialiasing (or more precisely without using alpha channel transparency info). So they appear with rough shapes. It looks not fun.
I sent a screenshots comparable to previous version to Edgar. Don't want to load mail list with images.
El 3/20/08 1:55 PM, "Michael Davies" mykdavies+squeak@gmail.com escribió:
Removal of non-core packages including eToys and Nebraska.
No removal of eToys and Nebraka in 3.10, was delayed for 3.11 for we wish play safe, compatible and give time to Pavel. For 3.11 I hope we go towards MinimalMorphic, if all agree and we could move several packages out of Squeak. And any could load again via Paqckage Universes.
- Consistent use of Monticello to manage package dependencies.
Yes, all release was done using mocking .cs and doing Monticello packages in 3.10 repository. Except in two cases, we could hit the updates button as in older releases, but people also could download complete images if they like this way. The lesson here is Monticello is not a good idea for a complete release. Currently Matthew is working on DeltaStreams and Colin on Monticello 2, no decision on which one we could use at this date.
- Package Universes for improved compatibility between packages.
Yes and is working super. Building complex images is easier .
- Bug policy requiring all fixes to include unit tests.
Yes, and the requirements means we have less as in previous releases, German confirm this morning in IRC only two yellow tests from more of 2200 in Windows, Test could give different on different OS. I test all in Tiger OS X, Windows XP and Simply MEPIS 6.5 Linux.
- All code under old licences has been identified, and
[all/much/some???] of it replaced.
Not for 3.10. It's top priority for any future Squeak.
- All code under old licences has been identified, and
[all/much/some???] of it replaced.
We do a "base" image, All tools could load later , via Universes or people could download specialized images like Damiens dev image.
[- Improved stability???]
Hard to say, people have the last word here, but no major troubles IMHO
[- Improved performance???] [- Smaller memory usage???]
No big changes.
Thanks to the 3.10 release team including Ralph Johnson, Edgar De Cleene, Matthew Fulmer, Craig Latta, [XXXX others?].
Many others work silent on Mantis. His names and contributions could be learned in the History of 3.10 window. I say some bug reports deserve showing to students how some bug was found, discuss, fixes was suggested and test was done. Mantis is a code vault for braves ! I have the 3.11 tentative ready, we could move several packages out safe now and go to a 75% size of final size, Also we could break Morphic in more easy to work packages
Edgar
Thanks to Edgar, Craig and Matthew for the updates and corrections. I'll get an article out tomorrow.
2008/3/20, Edgar J. De Cleene edgardec2001@yahoo.com.ar:
Early download at:
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10alpha/Squeak3dot10.7159.zip
It's the same as gamma with the Welcome window texrt from Ralph.
Please people in charge of ftp site , move to appropriate place and actualize squeak.org page.
In minutes I could be on IRC and Skype for start to exchange ideas for 3.11, before next meeting on Monday 24 at 18:00 UTC.
Give us your view , participate with ideas, feedback, etc.
Is running the tests considered a safe operation? Are the tests supposed to be green? A ran the tests and had several failures and errors. Moreover the tests deleted the the contents of the directory including several Seaside development images. I 'm kinda bored right now.
Is it corrent that the new versions browser: http://www.squeaksource.com/VersionsBrowser2.html is missing?
Cheers Philippe
Philippe Marschall a écrit :
Is it corrent that the new versions browser: http://www.squeaksource.com/VersionsBrowser2.html is missing?
I followed this link, to see what the new versions browser is about. Arrived in a cryptic SqueakSource page, with no link to human readable text, not even a sentence saying how to install the beast.
To me that's a common experience when looking a SqueakSource. It often looks like if you do not know beforehand exactly what you are looking for, it's very hard to figure out what the packages are and how to use them.
Am I missing something ?
Stef
El 3/20/08 4:09 PM, "Philippe Marschall" philippe.marschall@gmail.com escribió:
Is running the tests considered a safe operation? Are the tests supposed to be green? A ran the tests and had several failures and errors. Moreover the tests deleted the the contents of the directory including several Seaside development images. I 'm kinda bored right now.
You could run the test. You should do test for your own development. When you get the test feeling, start to made test for untested things in image and put on Mantis. As Steph said, test,test, more test.
My old report to v3dot list for all
On Mac: 2249 run, 2246 passes, 0 expected failures, 2 failures, 0 errors, 0 unexpected passes
#('DebuggerUnwindBug>>#testUnwindDebuggerWithStep' 'LocaleTest>>#testIsFontAvailable' )
On Windows XP 2249 run, 2242 passes, 0 expected failures, 6 failures, 0 errors, 0 unexpected passes #('DebuggerUnwindBug>>#testUnwindDebuggerWithStep' 'LocaleTest>>#testIsFontAvailable' 'RenderBugz>>#testForward' 'RenderBugz>>#testHeading' 'StringSocketTestCase>>#testBogusInput1' 'StringSocketTestCase>>#testBogusInput2')
On Linux (SimplyMepis 6.5) is same as Mac plus FileDirectoryTest>>testExists. (3 yellow)
I don't have deleting of files , but if you have this, made a Mantis report
Edgar
On Mar 20, 2008, at 14:09 , Philippe Marschall wrote:
Is it corrent that the new versions browser: http://www.squeaksource.com/VersionsBrowser2.html is missing?
Cheers Philippe
Hi Phillippe et al.
The latest version of the VersionBrowser (1.0) is available via the Package Universe Browser under the "Code Browsing" category. It is also available on SqueakSource at:
http://www.squeaksource.com/Archaeology.html I cleaned up the repository so it is easier to understand. However, the version that is there doesn't provide any obvious new functionality. It is simply a refactored version that provides the hooks for enabling the VersionsBrowser to read a single composite of archive of all official Squeak methods that have been published. After getting feedback from a number of people offline at the end of last year, I realized that I needed to approach the problem in new fashion.
It has only been in the past few weeks that I have been able to focus again on the work at all. Only since March have my wife and I have begun to emerge from the sleep deprivation fog of new parenthood. :-) (Jerome, anyone who can write good code under the influence of new baby is a better person than I -- however, I hope they are not building avionics! :-p)
The current version has been refactored with good test coverage and is devoid of any dependencies on tricky and ugly Squeak legacy code -- i.e. core code that we all depend on but are either afraid to modify, or afraid to use after someone has "improved" it. As a research project we have been looking at ways to do archaeology on Squeak code, and seeing what can be discovered by investigating the codebase of 10+ years of code evolution. More to follow ...
-Maurice
On Mar 20, 2008, at 13:04 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
Early download at:
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10alpha/Squeak3dot10.7159.zip
It's the same as gamma with the Welcome window texrt from Ralph.
Shouldn't a new sources file be made? I suspect reusing SqueakV39.sources is going to ask for confusion.
- Bert -
El 3/20/08 6:30 PM, "Bert Freudenberg" bert@freudenbergs.de escribió:
Shouldn't a new sources file be made? I suspect reusing SqueakV39.sources is going to ask for confusion.
- Bert -
Yes, but Ralph don't decide the alternatives we have and the new schema is not full tested.
I could do a Squeak3dot10.sources if you think is best have new sources.
Edgar
"Edgar" == Edgar J De Cleene edgardec2001@yahoo.com.ar writes:
Edgar> El 3/20/08 6:30 PM, "Bert Freudenberg" bert@freudenbergs.de escribió:
Shouldn't a new sources file be made? I suspect reusing SqueakV39.sources is going to ask for confusion.
- Bert -
Edgar> I could do a Squeak3dot10.sources if you think is best have new sources.
Unless we *need* a new sources (as we did for 3.9), I'd suggest using the 3.9. After all, the *next* release might be the first license-fixed release, and then we *will* need a new sources file. Having lots of different Sources files doesn't make sense.
Just my opinion. Not an official board position, although I think we can put that on the next meeting's agenda.
El 3/20/08 8:12 PM, "Randal L. Schwartz" merlyn@stonehenge.com escribió:
Unless we *need* a new sources (as we did for 3.9), I'd suggest using the 3.9. After all, the *next* release might be the first license-fixed release, and then we *will* need a new sources file. Having lots of different Sources files doesn't make sense.
Just my opinion. Not an official board position, although I think we can put that on the next meeting's agenda.
I copy mail send to v3dotlist
.sources have a 32 Mb limit. This was the origin Steph and Markus should made two SqueakV39.sources. At the beginning of 3.10 I warning this and the alternatives was
- Deliver 3.10 with new 3.10.sources
- Take Dan condenseSources for having compressed ones
- Take Klaus 512 mb patch
Ralph made a superior scheme , for having empty changes. The guy in charge of this was Maurice Raab,
For real different way, I have my own how to deal with this in ftp://edgardec:squeak@squeakros.atspace.com:21/squeakros.atspace.com/Compresse dClasses date is 16/07/05 .... Could do same with the tentative image or any image we pick as start point. You could do
| server hay unzipped zipped | server := (ServerDirectory serverNamed: 'SqueakRos'). dir := server directoryNamed: 'CompressedClasses'. hay := dir entries detect: [ :any| any name = 'Url.sqz'] ifNone:[]. hay ifNotNil: [self halt . zipped:= dir getFileNamed: 'Url.sqz'. unzipped := RWBinaryOrTextStream with: (GZipReadStream decompressFile: zipped) contents.]
and feed File Contens Browser for later processing
And I have the procedure for 3.11 ready to any could try
'From Squeak3.10beta of 22 July 2007 [latest update: #7159] on 12 March 2008 at 5:51:23 am'!
!ReleaseBuilderFor3dot11 methodsFor: 'sources managment' stamp: 'edc 2/12/2008 09:04'! createCompressedSources " ReleaseBuilderFor3dot11 new createCompressedSources" | unzipped nameToUse zipped buffer dir | ProtoObject allSubclassesWithLevelDo:[:cl :l| dir := self createDirIfnotExists:cl category.
Cursor write showWhile: [nameToUse := cl printString . (dir fileExists: nameToUse) ifFalse:[ unzipped :=RWBinaryOrTextStream on: ''. unzipped header; timeStamp. cl fileOutOn: unzipped moveSource: false toFile: 0. unzipped trailer.
unzipped reset. zipped := dir newFileNamed: (nameToUse, FileDirectory dot, ImageSegment compressedFileExtension). zipped binary. zipped := GZipWriteStream on: zipped. buffer := ByteArray new: 50000. 'Compressing ', nameToUse displayProgressAt: Sensor cursorPoint from: 0 to: unzipped size during:[:bar| [unzipped atEnd] whileFalse:[ bar value: unzipped position. zipped nextPutAll: (unzipped nextInto: buffer)]. zipped close. unzipped close]]]] startingLevel: 0! !
!ReleaseBuilderFor3dot11 methodsFor: 'sources managment' stamp: 'edc 2/12/2008 07:43'! createDirIfnotExists: aDirName (FileDirectory default directoryExists:aDirName) ifFalse: [FileDirectory default createDirectory: aDirName]. ^FileDirectory default directoryNamed: aDirName! !
So I ask Board for start 3.11, and made changes on the road.
I know top priority is licensing.
My proposal is move out of "base" image to Monticello the following packages.
'Tests' 'SMLoader' 'SMBase' 'SUnit' 'SUnitGUI' 'ScriptLoader' 'Universes' 'Installer' 'XML-Parser' 'BookMorphandFriends' 'MorphicExtras-Demo' 'MorphicExtras-Components' 'EToys' .
And with this out, have sense doing new sources.
Edgar
Randal L. Schwartz ha scritto:
"Edgar" == Edgar J De Cleene edgardec2001@yahoo.com.ar writes:
Edgar> El 3/20/08 6:30 PM, "Bert Freudenberg" bert@freudenbergs.de escribió:
Shouldn't a new sources file be made? I suspect reusing SqueakV39.sources is going to ask for confusion.
- Bert -
Edgar> I could do a Squeak3dot10.sources if you think is best have new sources.
Unless we *need* a new sources (as we did for 3.9), I'd suggest using the 3.9. After all, the *next* release might be the first license-fixed release, and then we *will* need a new sources file. Having lots of different Sources files doesn't make sense.
Why not go the easy way and bundle the .sources files with the VM, instead of forcing people to download them separately?
We could start distributing a "Squeak runtime" with vm, plugins, .sources file, fonts etc. This would make installing Squeak much easier.
Ciao,
Giovanni
El 3/24/08 11:52 AM, "Giovanni Corriga" giovanni@corriga.net escribió:
Why not go the easy way and bundle the .sources files with the VM, instead of forcing people to download them separately?
We could start distributing a "Squeak runtime" with vm, plugins, .sources file, fonts etc. This would make installing Squeak much easier.
Ciao,
Giovanni
I could if someone tell me how put the foreign files into the OS X VM .app .. I think this is Sophie and now Seaside use.
Edgar
Why not go the easy way and bundle the .sources files with the VM, instead of forcing people to download them separately?
We could start distributing a "Squeak runtime" with vm, plugins, .sources file, fonts etc. This would make installing Squeak much easier.
Ciao,
Giovanni
Easing/simplifying the Squeak installation makes a lot of sense. cheers,
Sebastian
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