Hi all,
attached a set of potential updates for 3.8.1 to move it to 3.8.2.
Included are 6748advance382a.cs 6750stringAndCharFixes-mir.cs (really a collection of fixes from 3.9/3.10) 6755SemaCritical-ar.cs 6754DelayStartup-ar.cs 6753DelayTweaks-ar.cs 6751SafeDelay-ar.cs 6752FreezeFix-ar.cs 6747advance381.cs 6749categoryspeedup-al.cs
Comments, suggestions for other fixes etc welcome!
Michael
Why don't you switch to 3.9 or 3.10?
2007/10/26, Michael Rueger michael@impara.de:
Hi all,
attached a set of potential updates for 3.8.1 to move it to 3.8.2.
Included are 6748advance382a.cs 6750stringAndCharFixes-mir.cs (really a collection of fixes from 3.9/3.10) 6755SemaCritical-ar.cs 6754DelayStartup-ar.cs 6753DelayTweaks-ar.cs 6751SafeDelay-ar.cs 6752FreezeFix-ar.cs 6747advance381.cs 6749categoryspeedup-al.cs
Comments, suggestions for other fixes etc welcome!
Michael
Damien Cassou wrote:
Why don't you switch to 3.9 or 3.10?
Reasons that have to do with reality outside universities:
1) a lot of people still use 3.8 so I continue to try to maintain it. I think that is called support.
2) in projects with a tight schedule you usually don't have time to port to the latest greatest, especially when your current version works just fine.
Additional reason: 3) Sophie is stuck with Tweak which is stuck on 3.8
Michael
El 10/26/07 10:31 AM, "Michael Rueger" michael@impara.de escribió:
Why don't you switch to 3.9 or 3.10?
Reasons that have to do with reality outside universities:
- a lot of people still use 3.8 so I continue to try to maintain it. I
think that is called support.
- in projects with a tight schedule you usually don't have time to port
to the latest greatest, especially when your current version works just fine.
Additional reason: 3) Sophie is stuck with Tweak which is stuck on 3.8
Michael
You inspire me. I have a 3.8.1 and wish port as mush is possible from 3.10 to 3.8.1 or any future continuation you do. Also I toying with shrink it same as 3.10 and use as base for experiments.
Continue good work and say if you need some help from me, via list or private mail.
Edgar
Il giorno ven, 26/10/2007 alle 15.31 +0200, Michael Rueger ha scritto:
Damien Cassou wrote:
Why don't you switch to 3.9 or 3.10?
Reasons that have to do with reality outside universities:
- a lot of people still use 3.8 so I continue to try to maintain it. I
think that is called support.
Speaking of support, maybe it's time for the community to estabilish a proper protocol for support. With this I mean what should happen to the older versions when a new Squeak version is released.
I propose we steal a page from the *BSD and Debian books and have three supported versions at every time: a stable, a current and a development one. When a new development version is complete, it becomes the new current version, the current version becomes the new stable one and the stable one becomes legacy. Stable and current versions are guarenteed to receive bug fixes (the stable one should receive only fixes for security and major bugs), while there's no such warranty for the legacy versions.
Applied to the current situation, this would mean that 3.8.x is the stable version right now, 3.9 is the current version while 3.10 is the development version. When version 3.10 is released, 3.9 will become the stable version, 3.10 the current one and 3.11 (or 4.0?) the next development one. 3.8 could continue receiving bug fixes, if there's someone who decides to produce them.
What do you think? Could a system be put in place?
Ciao,
Giovanni
El 10/27/07 7:13 AM, "Giovanni Corriga" giovanni@corriga.net escribió:
What do you think? Could a system be put in place?
Ciao,
Giovanni
+1
Edgar
Full Agree with Michale and Adrian.
Not ever is possible to follow the new releases. The main goal of my production projects is stability and I have it with 3.8.
Cheers and Thanks by the support.
2007/10/26, Michael Rueger michael@impara.de:
Damien Cassou wrote:
Why don't you switch to 3.9 or 3.10?
Reasons that have to do with reality outside universities:
- a lot of people still use 3.8 so I continue to try to maintain it. I
think that is called support.
- in projects with a tight schedule you usually don't have time to port
to the latest greatest, especially when your current version works just fine.
Additional reason: 3) Sophie is stuck with Tweak which is stuck on 3.8
Michael
Because it can be a major effort (and risk) to move in case of larger applications. Although we try to keep up to date, it sometimes does not make sense (for example if the system runs stable or if ressources are missing). We still use Squeak 3.7 in a couple of cases. Therefore, maintaining older versions is important.
Adrian
On Oct 26, 2007, at 15:24 , Damien Cassou wrote:
Why don't you switch to 3.9 or 3.10?
2007/10/26, Michael Rueger michael@impara.de:
Hi all,
attached a set of potential updates for 3.8.1 to move it to 3.8.2.
Included are 6748advance382a.cs 6750stringAndCharFixes-mir.cs (really a collection of fixes from 3.9/3.10) 6755SemaCritical-ar.cs 6754DelayStartup-ar.cs 6753DelayTweaks-ar.cs 6751SafeDelay-ar.cs 6752FreezeFix-ar.cs 6747advance381.cs 6749categoryspeedup-al.cs
Comments, suggestions for other fixes etc welcome!
Michael
-- Damien Cassou
Hi mike
are these changes from sophie? Did you include some fixes from the OLPC on font fixes? and other.
For 3.11 I would like to bring the idea that the changes from sophie and OLPC are bring in Squeak.
Stef
On 26 oct. 07, at 15:19, Michael Rueger wrote:
Hi all,
attached a set of potential updates for 3.8.1 to move it to 3.8.2.
Included are 6748advance382a.cs 6750stringAndCharFixes-mir.cs (really a collection of fixes from 3.9/3.10) 6755SemaCritical-ar.cs 6754DelayStartup-ar.cs 6753DelayTweaks-ar.cs 6751SafeDelay-ar.cs 6752FreezeFix-ar.cs 6747advance381.cs 6749categoryspeedup-al.cs
Comments, suggestions for other fixes etc welcome!
Michael
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