Hello, folks--
I've been commissioned to write an article on modern Smalltalk and wanted to solicit feedback on what people thought the most interesting and useful aspects to cover would be. Obviously I wanted to talk about Squeak, Pharo, Amber, and at least touch on Lively, and talk about the commercial offerings (Dolphin, VAST, VW), and then there's Seaside and GLORP and Spoon and Cuis and...etc. etc. etc.
Since it's not a book, I can't possibly cover everything, so I want to hit the highlights, and I'm trying to avoid being overly insular (e.g., only talking about what are the highlights for me).
Any and all comments welcome.
===Blake===
On 12-10-13 9:24 PM, blake wrote:
Hello, folks--
I've been commissioned to write an article on modern Smalltalk and wanted to solicit feedback on what people thought the most interesting and useful aspects to cover would be. Obviously I wanted to talk about Squeak, Pharo, Amber, and at least touch on Lively, and talk about the commercial offerings (Dolphin, VAST, VW), and then there's Seaside and GLORP and Spoon and Cuis and...etc. etc. etc.
Since it's not a book, I can't possibly cover everything, so I want to hit the highlights, and I'm trying to avoid being overly insular (e.g., only talking about what are the highlights for me).
Any and all comments welcome.
===Blake===
That's a lot of topics. Perhaps you only have space for one paragraph each, in which case you could probably get what you need surveying the websites for each project.
Chris
+1 Please consider adding to the links section http://u8.smalltalking.net and http://www.smalltalking.net to promote reflection on what is the meaning of "modern" for a person that understood what is Smalltalk (for himself), and for people talking about social dev. using smalltalk. thanks in advance, Ale.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cunnington" smalltalktelevision@gmail.com To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Article On Modern Smalltalk
On 12-10-13 9:24 PM, blake wrote:
Hello, folks--
I've been commissioned to write an article on modern Smalltalk and wanted to solicit feedback on what people thought the most interesting and useful aspects to cover would be. Obviously I wanted to talk about Squeak, Pharo, Amber, and at least touch on Lively, and talk about the commercial offerings (Dolphin, VAST, VW), and then there's Seaside and GLORP and Spoon and Cuis and...etc. etc. etc.
Since it's not a book, I can't possibly cover everything, so I want to hit the highlights, and I'm trying to avoid being overly insular (e.g., only talking about what are the highlights for me).
Any and all comments welcome.
===Blake===
That's a lot of topics. Perhaps you only have space for one paragraph each, in which case you could probably get what you need surveying the websites for each project.
Chris
On 12-10-14 11:22 AM, Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
+1 Please consider adding to the links section http://u8.smalltalking.net and http://www.smalltalking.net to promote reflection on what is the meaning of "modern" for a person that understood what is Smalltalk (for himself), and for people talking about social dev. using smalltalk. thanks in advance, Ale.
I'd be happy to do that, but things in the server and squeak.org especially are in a big state of flux. Your request is prompting me to realize that we will need a page of links to projects. But at the moment we are designing a new squeak.org on a new framework. All this to say, I'll be happy to do that, but in about eight weeks, after we have a new site up. But rest assured, I won't forget you asked, and we'll do it then.
Chris
Thanks for the feedback so far. Gemstone/S will certainly be in there: Thank you, Dale, I might have overlooked that.
Alexandre: Yes, that is something I'm very interested in. Any kind of live, linkable projects that demonstrate ST in real-world use.
I'm glad to hear Squeak.org is being updated. That was one of my first stops and the link rot there is impressive.
All that said, while I want to touch on a lot of things, I'm not creating a link dump. I want to focus more heavily on a few things. I want to show people things that make them think "Man, I'm gonna go check that out!"
There's probably an encyclopedia worth of stuff out there; I want to hit the highest of the high notes.
Blake: In the 'Man! I want to check that out' category, I might put either OpenQwaq or Open Cobalt.
Oh, and parsing expression grammar engines: http://www.slideshare.net/esug/parser-inmypocket
Depending on your audience, you might feel the need to slip in a mention of one or two dialects that are close relations of Smalltalk: Frank, Newspeak, Objective-C or Ruby (modern doesn't necessarily mean new, better or production ready, merely current.)
Hope that helps, David
Thanks!
I'm definitely planning to spend some time on the historical influences of Smalltalk as well as its offspring.
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:49 AM, David Corking lists@dcorking.com wrote:
Blake: In the 'Man! I want to check that out' category, I might put either OpenQwaq or Open Cobalt.
Oh, and parsing expression grammar engines: http://www.slideshare.net/esug/parser-inmypocket
Depending on your audience, you might feel the need to slip in a mention of one or two dialects that are close relations of Smalltalk: Frank, Newspeak, Objective-C or Ruby (modern doesn't necessarily mean new, better or production ready, merely current.)
Hope that helps, David
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