Hi Stephane, Karl
I've added screenshots at http://russell-allen.com/squeak/faure/screenshots/
The scribble pad definately needs to be multipage; it also needs to be saved by default (at the moment you will lose the scribble if you quit the image). How to save these things most effectively I'm not sure; maybe magma or minnestore...
Handwriting recognition is a biggie. I haven't tried out genie yet; so I can't comment. I'll have a look at it though. My goal would be a system that wasn't so damn modal as Palm/WinCE - I hate having to either write in a special place or to switch into a 'keyboard mode' to write anything.
If genie works the way I suspect it would, then there will be problems with an after-the-fact recognition of letters in a saved bitmap. Most character recognition stuff I know of uses pen stroke info - you'd either have to save the strokes, or use a dedicated OCR program.
Cheers,
Russell
Stephane Ducasse ducasse@iam.unibe.ch wrote:
Cool stuff. The scribble pad brings some ideas to mind. Say you use it as a note taker, you will need new pages, and ability to go trough the pages. And handwriting OCR to turn the pixels into some text. Karl
hi allen Could you put one or two pictures, so that presentation makers like me can used them to advertise your work ;)
Then for the handwriting have you looked at Genie? This is ***really*** good but I do not know on IPAQ.
Stef
Dr. StÈphane DUCASSE (ducasse@iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
Russell, you might like to consider putting your premade image in a zipfile....
tim
Russell Allen wrote:
The scribble pad definately needs to be multipage; it also needs to be saved by default (at the moment you will lose the scribble if you quit the image). How to save these things most effectively I'm not sure; maybe magma or minnestore...
My first thought was a book morph. But it needs more indexing capabilities as one will add stuff possibly over many years. This need some carefull thinking...
Handwriting recognition is a biggie. I haven't tried out genie yet; so I can't comment. I'll have a look at it though. My goal would be a system that wasn't so damn modal as Palm/WinCE - I hate having to either write in a special place or to switch into a 'keyboard mode' to write anything.
This is my impression, too. I have not used either palm nor win ce but extensivly but there has to be a better way.
If genie works the way I suspect it would, then there will be problems with an after-the-fact recognition of letters in a saved bitmap. Most character recognition stuff I know of uses pen stroke info - you'd either have to save the strokes, or use a dedicated OCR program.
Storing this info should not be so hard. A morphs path can be stored as array of points. But I really don't now anything about character recognition so all I can do is speculate.
Karl
Check out Genie. It's really terrific. Nathanael did a great job!
Cheers,
Alan
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At 1:39 PM +0100 11/29/02, Karl Ramberg wrote:
Russell Allen wrote:
The scribble pad definately needs to be multipage; it also needs to be saved by default (at the moment you will lose the scribble if you quit the image). How to save these things most effectively I'm not sure; maybe magma or minnestore...
My first thought was a book morph. But it needs more indexing capabilities as one will add stuff possibly over many years. This need some carefull thinking...
Handwriting recognition is a biggie. I haven't tried out genie yet; so I can't comment. I'll have a look at it though. My goal would be a system that wasn't so damn modal as Palm/WinCE - I hate having to either write in a special place or to switch into a 'keyboard mode' to write anything.
This is my impression, too. I have not used either palm nor win ce but extensivly but there has to be a better way.
If genie works the way I suspect it would, then there will be problems with an after-the-fact recognition of letters in a saved bitmap. Most character recognition stuff I know of uses pen stroke info - you'd either have to save the strokes, or use a dedicated OCR program.
Storing this info should not be so hard. A morphs path can be stored as array of points. But I really don't now anything about character recognition so all I can do is speculate.
Karl
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Is Genie as good as the Newton was? The Newton (in my opinion the last interim Dynabook) still prods seriously buttock with all current handhelds and deserves a worthy heir.
Torsten
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Alan Kay wrote:
Check out Genie. It's really terrific. Nathanael did a great job!
Cheers,
Alan
It's a different kind of recognizer with different trade offs. Check it out and notice that Nathanael has (gasp) actually written documentation, etc.
Cheers,
Alan
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At 8:50 PM +0100 11/29/02, Torsten Sadowski wrote:
Is Genie as good as the Newton was? The Newton (in my opinion the last interim Dynabook) still prods seriously buttock with all current handhelds and deserves a worthy heir.
Torsten
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Alan Kay wrote:
Check out Genie. It's really terrific. Nathanael did a great job!
Cheers,
Alan
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Alan Kay wrote:
It's a different kind of recognizer with different trade offs. Check it out and notice that Nathanael has (gasp) actually written documentation, etc.
I have a hard time understanding Genie even with the documentation :-( I can draw some stuff in a Workspace but nothing happens. What do I do next ?
Karl
Hi
did you defined event associated with your keystroke? You should try the default dictionaries provided by nathanael mentioned in the class comment of AGenie Introduction
Stef
On vendredi, novembre 29, 2002, at 10:57 pm, Karl Ramberg wrote:
Alan Kay wrote:
It's a different kind of recognizer with different trade offs. Check it out and notice that Nathanael has (gasp) actually written documentation, etc.
I have a hard time understanding Genie even with the documentation :-( I can draw some stuff in a Workspace but nothing happens. What do I do next ?
Karl
Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse@iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
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