I'd like to switch to Celeste. What has kept me back from doing so is that there's no lo-tek way to access my old email remotely. Which is why I continue to use pine. By lo-tek, I mean some way that's accessible by just telnet/ssh.
Up to this point, I considered eventually that I would eventually create a telnet server for Squeak, and get my email via a generic object hierarchy browser, or something primitively like pine. I'm not sure why it's escaped me, but it would be rather easy to write up a Comanche module that spit back my email over the web. Easy to send email out too. I suppose that'd make it mostly a real web-mail client, but such a single-user system should be easy to set up.
Has anyone started on a project like this, or should I go ahead? I assume there would be others interested in using it?
Regards, Aaron
Aaron Reichow :: UMD ACM Pres :: http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/ "the end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization. " :: r. w. emerson
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Aaron J Reichow wrote: [snip]
escaped me, but it would be rather easy to write up a Comanche module that spit back my email over the web. Easy to send email out too. I suppose that'd make it mostly a real web-mail client, but such a single-user system should be easy to set up.
Has anyone started on a project like this, or should I go ahead?
I started on one, but it's mired back in Squeak 2.3, so go ahead.
I assume there would be others interested in using it?
Yes, and in adding Mailman like capabilities.
Cheers, Bijan "The Encourager" Parsia.
Aaron J Reichow reic0024@d.umn.edu wrote:
I'd like to switch to Celeste. What has kept me back from doing so is that there's no lo-tek way to access my old email remotely. Which is why I continue to use pine. By lo-tek, I mean some way that's accessible by just telnet/ssh.
Just by the way, if you have access to a graphical terminal and a cable-modem or better network connection, you can use Nebraska. That's what I do to access my mail remotely. There is a changeset floating around to add authentication to Nebraska.
Squeak is nice. Trying to dumb it down to a text interface or a WWW interface seems like a doomed project Granted, email in particular should be doable.... Alternatively, someone could write an IMAP-based email reader, and you could simply never download your email for real. Or, someone could write an IMAP server in Squeak that reads from Squeak MailDB's. So many possibilities, none of which are implemented. :)
Lex
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Lex Spoon wrote:
Just by the way, if you have access to a graphical terminal and a cable-modem or better network connection, you can use Nebraska. That's what I do to access my mail remotely. There is a changeset floating around to add authentication to Nebraska.
I considered that. But my cable modem at home is capped at like 7K/s going out, which is painful for Nebraska. Also, even if it were zippier, going through all the work of installing Squeak (and then hunting down and filing in the authentication CS) just to find sdome old email. Even so, that isn't possible for a lot of the machines on campus.
Squeak is nice. Trying to dumb it down to a text interface or a WWW interface seems like a doomed project.
Pffft. There's a lot of that kind of attitude on this list, and I understand it. Squeak is awesome. I wish all the computers into with I came in contact ran SqueakNOS, and there were super fast connexions for running Nebraska. But it is not so. Having my information accessible via some text or www interface allows me to get what I need on any computer, not just computers fast enough, on a fast enough link, and open to disk-quota-less software configuration. I mean nothing personal against you or anyone else one here, so please don't take it as such. :)
While a WWW interface may be more generically useful for others, I think the first thing I'll create is an IRC bot for interacting with MailDB. I know what you're thinking. Should be easier to hack together than a Comanche module (I wrote a bot framework for SqIRC a while back), but still achieves my goal.
Regards, Aaron
Aaron Reichow :: UMD ACM Pres :: http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/ "the profit system follows the path of least resistance and following the path of least resistance is what makes a river crooked." :: u. utah phillips
Aaron J Reichow reic0024@d.umn.edu said:
Squeak is nice. Trying to dumb it down to a text interface or a WWW interface seems like a doomed project.
Pffft. There's a lot of that kind of attitude on this list, and I understand it. Squeak is awesome. I wish all the computers into with I came in contact ran SqueakNOS, and there were super fast connexions for running Nebraska. But it is not so.
Indeed. I need to access my mail from some horribly misguided attempt to integrate 'phone' and 'PDA' called the Nokia Communicator. I wish it would run SqueakNOS, because whatever it is called they installed on it is worse than WinCE. But it doesn't (nor does my real PDA, a Palm device).
On 1 May 2002, Cees de Groot wrote:
Aaron J Reichow reic0024@d.umn.edu said:
Squeak is nice. Trying to dumb it down to a text interface or a WWW interface seems like a doomed project.
Pffft. There's a lot of that kind of attitude on this list, and I understand it. Squeak is awesome. I wish all the computers into with I came in contact ran SqueakNOS, and there were super fast connexions for running Nebraska. But it is not so.
Indeed. I need to access my mail from some horribly misguided attempt to integrate 'phone' and 'PDA' called the Nokia Communicator. I wish it would run SqueakNOS, because whatever it is called they installed on it is worse than WinCE. But it doesn't (nor does my real PDA, a Palm device).
Well, at least there is Pocket Smalltalk for both of those! :)
Regards, Aaron
Aaron Reichow :: UMD ACM Pres :: http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/ "a system based on exchanging products inevitably channels wealth to a few, and no governmental change will ever be able to correct that." :: daniel quinn
Aaron J Reichow wrote:
I'd like to switch to Celeste. What has kept me back from doing so is that there's no lo-tek way to access my old email remotely. Which is why I continue to use pine. By lo-tek, I mean some way that's accessible by just telnet/ssh.
Hmm, how about some sort of web access to Celeste as well? Craig & I have considered trying a telnet server in Flow for another project. Or would making Celeste work with IMAP be useful? - or even make an IMAP server?
The main thing I'd like to see sorted out in Celeste is not fetching messages twice when leaving messages on thre server. This would make it easy to use at home and on the road.
tim
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Tim Rowledge wrote:
Hmm, how about some sort of web access to Celeste as well? Craig & I have considered trying a telnet server in Flow for another project. Or would making Celeste work with IMAP be useful? - or even make an IMAP server?
I'd definately be interested in seeing Celeste work with an IMAP server. Not particularily weak IMAP support, where it acts just like the current POP way of doing things (SimpleMail for Newton's IMAP support is like this).
The main thing I'd like to see sorted out in Celeste is not fetching messages twice when leaving messages on thre server. This would make it easy to use at home and on the road.
Indeed. That change and one other would make Celeste better in this respect. That feature is a remote-delete option. SimpleMail for the Newton did this with POP mailboxes. When you download all messages, it leaves them on the server. When you delete a message, you have the option of removing it just from the server, just from the Newton, or both. You could set a default action.
However, for a POP mailbox, this would only work for the INBOX, and consequently, I'm still interested in hacking together some other means of accessing all of my Celeste data.
Regards, Aaron
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