Hello,
1. Approximately, how much time do you plan on spending on Squeak during the coming year (in any kind of unit)?
I will be still spending some chunk of my time constantly on the development of OLPC Etoys. Also, for making prototypes of new UI and end-user application, I'll be using Squeak (probably the OLPC Etoys image). In the longer term, though, VPRI trys to roll out new system that are not based on Squeak. I'll be working on these projects.
2. What are in your mind the three most important issues (not necessarily technical) we need to address in the coming year?
Giving somebody(s) the authority of making technical dicisions would be important to move the community.
3. What is your view on fund raising and how any such collected money should be dealt with?
For small chunks, simple donations from individuals members in the community would be good. But honestly I don't see some entity that offers bigger funding toward Squeak itself. There will be funding for projects that may use Squeak, but only if these projects are attractive.
4. What is your view on the ongoing process of making SqueakFoundation a not-for-profit legal entity?
It is making progress and I hope it goes through. At the same time, even if it doesn't go through, that wouldn't be a disaster. It is people's willingness that drives the community.
5. Do you think the Team model is appropriate for organising our efforts or should we come up with something else?
Team would work better if there is still a leader.
6. Do you have any specific views on how the Squeak board and the Squeak community should work together with the Squeak satellite communities (Croquet, Seaside, Sophie, Squeakland, Scratch etc), also referred to as "stakeholder communities"?
Share the contributions and insights. Something like DeltaStream, which increases the visibility of other people's patches and let us cherry pick them would be good.
I don't see a real merging effort of them will happen, though. I wouldn't even think about such effort with the OLPC Etoys image and the mainstream image.
7. The squeak.org release is our most important asset. How do you see it evolving over the next few years?
For various reasons such as licensing and people's feeling toward minimum systems, I'd think that we would have two systems. One is based on a kind of small system that remotely related to current "Squeak". And another is maintenance versions of current image(s). The former should have cleaner license, but I think it is ok to distribute the latter even if some people think that the license is murky.
8. Do you have any thoughts on the current relicensing effort?
I personally think that the license issue is overrated in the open source software community. Anybody can sue anybody after all for anything, so there is no way to achieve "100%" cleanness in this world. Nonetheless, we should try to do some "reasonable effort" to relicensing. And, like the Japanese versions and other languages version of Squeak and Squeakland, people wouldn't stop using, and that wouldn't be a problem.
9. How would you like Squeak to be positioned in the open source world in year 2012?
An honest answer is that something much better comes out from the project at VPRI and the many members of Squeak community move on to it.
10. What do you see as the overall role of the board?
Sometimes being at the Viewpoints helps, and knowing the POV of other language communities such as the largeer Japanese Squeak community helps.
-- Yoshiki
2008/2/27, Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki@vpri.org:
Hello,
- Approximately, how much time do you plan on spending on Squeak during
the coming year (in any kind of unit)?
I will be still spending some chunk of my time constantly on the development of OLPC Etoys. Also, for making prototypes of new UI and end-user application, I'll be using Squeak (probably the OLPC Etoys image). In the longer term, though, VPRI trys to roll out new system that are not based on Squeak. I'll be working on these projects.
Same question Craig do to Tansel, how much time will you have to spend on Squeak independently of your work priorities?
Thanks.
Sorry, Germán, I missed this...
1. Approximately, how much time do you plan on spending on Squeak during the coming year (in any kind of unit)? I will be still spending some chunk of my time constantly on the development of OLPC Etoys. Also, for making prototypes of new UI and end-user application, I'll be using Squeak (probably the OLPC Etoys image). In the longer term, though, VPRI trys to roll out new system that are not based on Squeak. I'll be working on these projects.
Same question Craig do to Tansel, how much time will you have to spend on Squeak independently of your work priorities?
Partly because whatever I do with Squeak, that is related to the work, an honest answer is "not much". But I've been attending most of board member meetings and participating discussions especially stuff that involves Viewpoints.
-- Yoshiki
No problem, and thanks by the response.
Cheers.
2008/3/2, Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki@vpri.org:
Sorry, Germán, I missed this...
1. Approximately, how much time do you plan on spending on Squeak during the coming year (in any kind of unit)? I will be still spending some chunk of my time constantly on the development of OLPC Etoys. Also, for making prototypes of new UI and end-user application, I'll be using Squeak (probably the OLPC Etoys image). In the longer term, though, VPRI trys to roll out new system that are not based on Squeak. I'll be working on these projects.
Same question Craig do to Tansel, how much time will you have to spend on Squeak independently of your work priorities?
Partly because whatever I do with Squeak, that is related to the work, an honest answer is "not much". But I've been attending most of board member meetings and participating discussions especially stuff that involves Viewpoints.
-- Yoshiki
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yoshiki Ohshima" yoshiki@vpri.org Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: Election 2008: Answers from Yoshiki
Hello,
...
- How would you like Squeak to be positioned in the open source world in
year 2012?
An honest answer is that something much better comes out from the project at VPRI and the many members of Squeak community move on to it.
...
This makes me very curious... Is this referring to the Pesi/Coke thing ?
Could you / someone tell more about this?
-Jeroen
On Feb 28, 2008, at 21:19 , Jeroen van Hilst wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yoshiki Ohshima" yoshiki@vpri.org Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <squeak- dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: Election 2008: Answers from Yoshiki
Hello,
...
- How would you like Squeak to be positioned in the open source
world in year 2012?
An honest answer is that something much better comes out from the project at VPRI and the many members of Squeak community move on to it.
...
This makes me very curious... Is this referring to the Pesi/Coke thing ?
Could you / someone tell more about this?
I recommend to read this first, and the papers on the site, and then ask more concretely:
http://vpri.org/html/work/ifnct.htm
- Bert -
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Feb 28, 2008, at 21:19 , Jeroen van Hilst wrote:
This makes me very curious... Is this referring to the Pesi/Coke thing ?
Could you / someone tell more about this?
I recommend to read this first, and the papers on the site, and then ask more concretely:
And I would really recommend that everyone in the Squeak community read the first paper in the "articles" link on that page. The 50 page report, called "Steps Toward the Reinvention of Programming", shows the results of the first year of their five year NSF mission (to explore strange new representations, to seek out new objects and new transformations, to boldly go where no nerd has gone before...)
http://vpri.org/pdf/steps_TR-2007-008.pdf
I have not seen about half of what is described here mentioned anywhere else, even on the fonc mailing list. It would be fun to have some more information about this stuff. I enjoyed figuring out Chuck Thacker's neat FPGA processor, for example, since I had been discussing this kind of thing with three friends (separately, unfortunately) since last November. The "self expanding" Cairo reminded me of Henryk's AspectBlit and is very important work.
Cheers, -- Jecel
Hi Yoshiki--
- How would you like Squeak to be positioned in the open source
world in year 2012?
An honest answer is that something much better comes out from the project at VPRI and the many members of Squeak community move on to it.
Why should anyone bother with Squeak in the meantime?
-C
- How would you like Squeak to be positioned in the open source
world in year 2012?
An honest answer is that something much better comes out from the project at VPRI and the many members of Squeak community move on to it.
Why should anyone bother with Squeak in the meantime?
Why? Because it is a good platform to experiment what a new system should be like, as I wrote in the same message. In that sense, it is a viable platform, and of course for those who are building commercial software and using Squeak in industry already (like ourselves for OLPC), it does not alway make sense just jump to a new unproven system. Even after the new system gets real, why shouldn't anyone bother with Squeak?
-- Yoshiki
Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
Why? Because it is a good platform to experiment what a new system should be like, as I wrote in the same message. In that sense, it is a viable platform, and of course for those who are building commercial software and using Squeak in industry already (like ourselves for OLPC), it does not alway make sense just jump to a new unproven system. Even after the new system gets real, why shouldn't anyone bother with Squeak?
Plus Squeak will always have the cutest splash screen in the world of open source.
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