Squeak-dev August 2002

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Re: [ANN] Introducing Magma, an object database for Squeak
by goran.hultgren＠bluefish.se 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

chris(a)funkyobjects.org wrote: > After one of the most substantial programming efforts of my life, I'm > positively ecstatic that my first Squeak project is finally worthy to > show-and-tell to you fine folk! A big congratulation! This is one big step IMHO for Squeak. I will surely check it out. Just a couple of quick questions from the hip: > Please let me know your comments. I will. :-) regards, Göran

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RE: Hello... I'm back, did I miss anything?
by goran.hultgren＠bluefish.se 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

This has to be one of the least informative threads I have ever seen on this list! :-) 8 replies (not including this one, I do have some answers) that gives absolutely NO answer whatsoever to Scott! Anyway, I must admit my harvesting has been... nonexistant for a while. I will hopefully get around doing some of that. Bijan did express an interest in harvesting the search engine but I am not sure what happened. Btw, not to try to push blame away (I feel ashamed for not having harvested anything yet) but I think the harvesting process needs to change. I think I will post about that later though... regards, Göran

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Does "anyone" use MVC?
by Boris Gaertner 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Scott Wallace <scott.wallace(a)squeakland.org> gave us a lesson about bug-fixing: >>By going back to an image that did not exhibit these problems >>and then loading updates one at a time, checking for the bug after >>each update, I was able to track down exactly where this problem >>entered into Squeak. >>It turns out to have arrived in update 4487SyntaxErrorsOnFileIn-svp...: The last update of the bug-free 3.0 was 3545. Checking almost a thousand updates to track down a bug is a very impressive work. Thank you very much, Scott! Dan Ingalls <Dan(a)SqueakLand.org> wrote: >>I believe it may be the case that MVC users also tend to use >>stable releases, and therefore many may still be using 2.8. Yes, this sounds convincing to me. I am still using 2.7 for all of my MVC stuff and it is only now that I began to bring it to 3.2. The release quality of 2.7 was really excellent and I think it was for a long time the most beautiful release for MVC users. Dan also asked: >>What release do you use now? 2.7 for MVC 3.2 alpha (last update: 4599) for Morphic >>Do you plan to move to 3.2 in the near future? Yes, of course. I will do that now, during my summer holidays. Scott is seemingly surprised that there are almost no MVC users. I am surprised too, but I think I remember that two years ago there was some discussion about how to bring users to Morphic. The decision to ship Squeak 3.0 with Morphic as the default user interface obviously brought most user to Morphic and that is a beautiful success. Greetings, Boris

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Re: New Random Number Generator
by Mark4Flies＠aol.com 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

<< Actually in this part I was suggesting that it might be a simple typo in the _smalltalk_ and that by comparing the results of the shifts & masks in C with those in Smalltalk you could probably find out something. >> Oh! Now I understand. All I can tell you is that I actually took the C code and pasted it, verbatim, into the first Smalltalk method. Since this stuff is mostly bit operations, I only had to replace C tokens like '^' with 'bitXOr:' and so on. This approach was an attempt to avoid typographical errors up front. Since then I have poured over the C and Smalltalk code in parallel and just can't find a single discrepency. Then again, the hardest task is to find fault in one's own work... << I'm just looking at making a little plugin of it and wondering which of the varieties of numbers one really wants. The C file I downloaded seems to offer:- array initialisation of seeds plain init of seeds 32 bit int result 0 to 16rFFFFFFFF 31 bit 0 to 16r7FFFFFFF three different reals, [0,1], [0,1), (0,1) and [0,1) 53 bit resolution. Obviously the simplest would be to drop everything but the plain init and 32 bit int result. One might reasonably cut it to 30bit positive SmallInteger results. >> I am new to the idea of plugins. I suspect that they are a mechanism to take a foreign code (like these C programs), in whole or in part, and encapsulate it with a Smalltalk interface. Yes? << What would be most useful? >> I really appreciate your help on this problem but I honestly do not have a clue how to answer this question. -Mark

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[BUG][FIX]VMMaker allPlugins setup when scripting
by Tim Rowledge 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Small fix for a small bug; allPlugins wasn't set up if driving VMMaker with a script. Bit me when building the MTRandom plugin. tim -- Tim Rowledge, tim(a)sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim Useful random insult:- Only playing with 51 cards.

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