Squeak-dev August 2001

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Re: Microsoft removes Netscape support from IE; plug-in needsre- writing.
by Richard A. O'Keefe 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

From squeak-dev-admin(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Fri Aug 3 17:15:56 2001 Delivered-To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org From: John Hinsley <jhinsley(a)telinco.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Microsoft removes Netscape support from IE; plug-in needsre- writing. References: <F77d6QR7j1HaKtKufVm0000cf98(a)hotmail.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010802210709.03d46ef0(a)mailhost.pmatrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: squeak-dev-admin(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Errors-To: squeak-dev-admin(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org X-BeenThere: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org List-Help: <mailto:squeak-dev-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-dev>, <mailto:squeak-dev-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev.lists.squeakfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-dev>, <mailto:squeak-dev-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 05:59:03 +0100 But look at who the results come from: "Top 10 Browser Types Visiting Internet.com" and who are Internet.com when they're at home? http://www.internet.com doesn't really make that clear, does it? I'd be much more interested in results from Google, now. They would be equally worthless, and I mean WORTHLESS. No site KNOWS what browsers access it, only what identification string the browsers send them. At least one of the browsers I use can be asked with a couple of mouse clicks to announce itself as any of several other browsers. (I haven't bothered looking to see if the others can. Hang on, I _know_ two of the others can be so configured with a wee bit of code.)

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RE: Microsoft removes Netscape support from IE; plug-in needsre- writing.
by Jarvis, Robert P. (Contingent) 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

> From: Richard A. O'Keefe [mailto:ok@atlas.otago.ac.nz] >They would be equally worthless, and I mean WORTHLESS. >No site KNOWS what browsers access it, only what identification >string the browsers send them. >At least one of the browsers I use can be asked with a couple of >mouse clicks to announce itself as any of several other browsers. >(I haven't bothered looking to see if the others can. Hang on, >I _know_ two of the others can be so configured with a wee bit of code.) OK. How many people make use of that fact to mask their browser use? I submit that the number of people doing this is vanishingly small - far less than 1 percent. Most users *don't care* which browser they use - they just use the one which came pre-installed on the computer they bought from Gateway/Dell/whoever. They wouldn't know a browser ID string from a string bikini! To most people Web = Internet - they don't know ip from ftp from http from nntp and *THEY DON'T CARE!!!* They just want to, you know, surf. They're certainly not going to spend any time figuring out how to send bogus browser ID strings. That's my judgement of the situation, at any rate... Bob Jarvis Compuware @ Timken

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Re: [ENH] Better Debugging (third round)
by Bob Arning 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

Ross, There is something odd here. Could you send me the source for DiskProxy>>comeFullyUpOnReload: from the image in question? Cheers, Bob On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:07:40 -0700 Ross Boylan <RossBoylan(a)stanfordalumni.org> wrote: >SystemDictionary(Dictionary)>>associationAt: >[] in DiskProxy>>comeFullyUpOnReload: >Symbol class>>hasInterned:ifTrue: >DiskProxy>>comeFullyUpOnReload: >SmartRefStream(DataStream)>>next

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Minor formatting problem with Etoys Simstories1.002.pr
by Ross Boylan 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

The project has a text area on the left and figures/buttons on the right. The right hand side of the text is cut off for me. For example, the first line ends with "id" not "idea", the second with "a" not "an", and so on. Oddly, the position of the margin is not uniform, so different lines are cut off at different offsets. Squeak 3.1alpha #4173 on Squeak-D3D.exe running on MS Win 2k. By the way, I assume "Etoys Simstories1.002" replace "Etoys Simstories.001", but the presence of 2 version numbers makes me a bit uncertain of that.

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RE: Microsoft removes Netscape support from IE; plug-in needs re- writing.
by Ken collins 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

>From: "Jarvis, Robert P. (Contingent)" <Jarvisb(a)timken.com> >Reply-To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >To: "'squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org'" ><squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> >Subject: RE: Microsoft removes Netscape support from IE; plug-in needs re- >writing. >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:26:59 -0400 > >So now it's "either you develop with Microsoft tools and deploy on a >Microsoft platform or your web pages won't work with 90% of the browsers >out >there"? Is 90% really accurate??? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Odd performance question
by Timothy Reaves 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

Hello all. Here's a question. I take the code '1000 factorial' and do it. It takes 35 milliseconds (using Time MillisecondsToRun). When I take the same code and 'print it', it takes about 9500 milliseconds. This is two orders of magnatude slower! Why? Are not the same objects created, with the printing version just printing an ASCII representation of the final end product Object? Thanks!

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Scaling and fonts
by Ross Boylan 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

I have a morph that includes submorphs with text. The larger morph is embedded in a TransformMorph. I can send #scale: to the transformMorph to see more, but the text becomes unreadable very quickly. Is there a way to do scaling that will keep the text more readable?

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Squeakland outages
by Michael Rueger 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

Hi all, squeakland.org will be down intermittently today and/or on Friday because of construction work. Everything hopefully will be back to normal in time for the weekend. Cheers Michael

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Window Frames Part III
by Jim Benson 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Here's some more window frame code. This is just some simple mockups with three different window types; a browser, a file list and a workspace. It's at: http://people.we.mediaone.net/trade/Zurgle/Mock.htm You can file in the code and play with the window and their resizing bits. This is just an exploration of what the window resizing interactions might look like. Take a look, see what you think. Note that I just gathered threw some buttons together , and this isn't serious attempt at getting a frame look just right. However, I'm at a point where it would be nice to hear some suggestions as to what a 'stock' frame might look like. I need to come up with a 'default theme'. One area I'm pretty confused about is what the menu icon should look like and how to interact with it. As it stands now, the current menu doesn't seem to interact in a very natural way. My initial feeling is that it needs to be more of a pulldown menu, rather than just popping up over the menu icon. This is just experimental code. Use it in a throw away image. I'm not really looking for any bug reports yet, but if something glaring comes up feel free to mention it. Next up, refactoring SystemWindow to refactor the frame elements into another class. Jim

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[ANN] kats-0.1a - a smalltalk transaction service
by Stephen Pair 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Kats is an in-memory transaction service for Smalltalk (Squeak specifically). You'll find the downloads and information at: http://spair.swiki.net/kats It's a 0.1 alpha release with very little documentation. Briefly, a few of the features: - multi-level transactions - two-phase commit protocol - compiler modifications to allow transparent support for transactions - object locking (for pessimistic concurrency...read, write, and exclusive locks) - customizable conflict detection algorithm (default just detects any concurrent mutations (on any inst var) of the same objects) - a transaction explorer (and modified process browser to show the transaction associated with a process) - a transactional inspector for viewing the state of objects in a given "state context" (transaction) - a transactional workspace to evaluate expressions in the context of a given transaction - an optional "execution context" model for transactions (built mainly to highlight differences in this system with traditional TP monitors) - a transaction aspect installer (for adding/removing transaction capabilities to existing classes) - a TxObject class, which can be subclassed for automatic transaction support - a couple of special transactional classes to illustrate specializing the conflict detection algorithm (TxCounter and TxBag) I wanted to release this under a license compatible with the Squeak license and basically require that derivative works be required be released under the same open source license as the original while allowing both commercial and non-commercial use of the transaction system. I started modifying the Squeak license, but didn't feel comfortable doing so (because IANAL, and because I figured Apple probably has a copyright on the license itself), so I resorted to the LGPL...if anyone sees any problems with this, please let me know. - Stephen

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