I took a quick look at Nebraska. I seems to allow multiple users using the same image to have distinct screens. I only need data for one screen to leave the computer. This data would then need to be split so the same data can be sent to as many as 4 screens, one for each user who see the same thing on their computer screens. Thus output as far as smalltalk is concerned is single user. What is needed is for input to be multi-user. (up to 4 mice and perhaps up to 4 keyboards though the need for multi-user keyboards is much less; something that can wait until later)
Ralph.
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Very interesting and doubtless useful but overkill for what I need.
All I want is for a single image (with a single screen though perhaps multiple duplicate screens) to have multiple mice and multiple keyboard inputs. Some operating system help is likely required for this. I am currently using Linux but would eventually be able to work on any operating system that Squeak does.
I guess this could be used for multiple developers to work on the same image at the same time and I guess this would be useful. But this is not what I am looking for.
I want to develop multi-user games (maximum 4 players) playing in real time so I need up to 4 mice and perhaps 4 keyboards. These games are for 4-10 year olds who would likely all be in the same room ideally on the same computer. So networking capability isn't necessary or the ideal way to go.
Is anybody doing any work in this direction?
Ralph Boland
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Hi,
The is croquet.io http://croquet.io/ which allows "multiple users to work or play together within a single shared distributed environment". I wonder whether it is possible to take a squeak image and make it that single shared distributed environment. So multiple users would have some sort of UI (with system browser, workspaces, ..) and be able to work on a single underlining model (the squeak image).
Jiri
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I took a quick look at Nebraska. I seems to allow multiple users using the same image to have distinct screens. I only need data for one screen to leave the computer. This data would then need to be split so the same data can be sent to as many as 4 screens, one for each user who see the same thing on their computer screens. Thus output as far as smalltalk is concerned is single user. What is needed is for input to be multi-user. (up to 4 mice and perhaps up to 4 keyboards though the need for multi-user keyboards is much less; something that can wait until later)
Nebraska has one "server", which is just a Morphic world. When a client connects to the server, what the client gets afterwards is a sequence of drawing commands from the server (say, fill a rectangle of this size with this color). So the screen shown on the client is basically the same with the server. (so that should fit your requirement). The input events from a client are simply sent to the server and the multiple input support of Morphic in general handles them okay.
So with 5 or 4 computers, one is designated to be a server and other clients connect to the server, and it should work as you described.
Ralph.
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Very interesting and doubtless useful but overkill for what I need.
All I want is for a single image (with a single screen though perhaps multiple duplicate screens) to have multiple mice and multiple keyboard inputs. Some operating system help is likely required for this. I am currently using Linux but would eventually be able to work on any operating system that Squeak does.
I guess this could be used for multiple developers to work on the same image at the same time and I guess this would be useful. But this is not what I am looking for.
I want to develop multi-user games (maximum 4 players) playing in real time so I need up to 4 mice and perhaps 4 keyboards. These games are for 4-10 year olds who would likely all be in the same room ideally on the same computer. So networking capability isn't necessary or the ideal way to go.
Is anybody doing any work in this direction?
Ralph Boland
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Hi,
The is croquet.io http://croquet.io/ which allows "multiple users
to work or play together within a single shared distributed environment". I wonder whether it is possible to take a squeak image and make it that single shared distributed environment. So multiple users would have some sort of UI (with system browser, workspaces, ..) and be able to work on a single underlining model (the squeak image).
Jiri
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