Hello,
I can't enter the caret character (^) in Squeak 5.1 on Linux 32bit. I'm pretty sure that it worked some versions ago.
I also noticed that Squeak is not able to print non-ASCII characters (like €), it instead displays just a question mark.
Is this a default setting? How do I enter the caret?
Thanks and have a nice week, Marc
Hello,
any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
Any hints are welcome :-) Marc Am Mo., 1. Okt. 2018 um 09:07 Uhr schrieb Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com:
Hello,
I can't enter the caret character (^) in Squeak 5.1 on Linux 32bit. I'm pretty sure that it worked some versions ago.
I also noticed that Squeak is not able to print non-ASCII characters (like €), it instead displays just a question mark.
Is this a default setting? How do I enter the caret?
Thanks and have a nice week, Marc
* Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]:
Hello,
any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system.
HTH
Christian
Hi Christian,
I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space", but it justs displays a questionmark. When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is solved for now ;-)
But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I thought Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Thanks and best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org:
- Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]:
Hello,
any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system.
HTH
Christian
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Hi
On 04.10.2018, at 11:03, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Christian,
I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space", but it justs displays a questionmark. When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is solved for now ;-)
But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I thought Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Well, the question mark is just Squeaks way of saying "i know the Character but I don't have it in the font"
you can do the following:
put a $ before the character, select the whole thin and hit ctrl-i. Then you see what character it is, typically by unicode point.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: I'd be very interested what ^+space produces for character :)
Thanks and best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org:
- Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]:
Hello,
any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system.
HTH
Christian
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Thans Tobias,
I did now the following in the Workspace:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
Putting the $ before the ? and inspecting the character just displays the same character again, for example self has the value "$?" in the inspector... no unicode point, just the questionmark... ;-)
Best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de:
Hi
On 04.10.2018, at 11:03, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Christian,
I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space", but it justs displays a questionmark. When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is solved for now ;-)
But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I thought Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Well, the question mark is just Squeaks way of saying "i know the Character but I don't have it in the font"
you can do the following:
put a $ before the character, select the whole thin and hit ctrl-i. Then you see what character it is, typically by unicode point.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: I'd be very interested what ^+space produces for character :)
Thanks and best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org:
- Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]:
Hello,
any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system.
HTH
Christian
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Hi,
On 04.10.2018, at 15:05, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Thans Tobias,
I did now the following in the Workspace:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
Putting the $ before the ? and inspecting the character just displays the same character again, for example self has the value "$?" in the inspector... no unicode point, just the questionmark... ;-)
Ok, it should actually look somewhat like this when you hit 'ctrl-i':
In any case, '$i codePoint' (with i being your strange character) should work...
Best regards -Tobias
Best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de:
Hi
On 04.10.2018, at 11:03, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Christian,
I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space", but it justs displays a questionmark. When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is solved for now ;-)
But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I thought Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Well, the question mark is just Squeaks way of saying "i know the Character but I don't have it in the font"
you can do the following:
put a $ before the character, select the whole thin and hit ctrl-i. Then you see what character it is, typically by unicode point.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: I'd be very interested what ^+space produces for character :)
Thanks and best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org:
- Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]:
Hello,
any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system.
HTH
Christian
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Hello Marc
You write:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
In case you have problems getting what Tobias suggests to work it might be easier to evaluate (i.e. select and choose 'do it')
' ?' inspect 'g?' inspect
Regards
Hannes
On 10/4/18, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
On 04.10.2018, at 15:05, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Thans Tobias,
I did now the following in the Workspace:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
Putting the $ before the ? and inspecting the character just displays the same character again, for example self has the value "$?" in the inspector... no unicode point, just the questionmark... ;-)
Ok, it should actually look somewhat like this when you hit 'ctrl-i':
In any case, '$i codePoint' (with i being your strange character) should work...
Best regards -Tobias
Best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de:
Hi
On 04.10.2018, at 11:03, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Christian,
I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space", but it justs displays a questionmark. When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is solved for now ;-)
But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I thought Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Well, the question mark is just Squeaks way of saying "i know the Character but I don't have it in the font"
you can do the following:
put a $ before the character, select the whole thin and hit ctrl-i. Then you see what character it is, typically by unicode point.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: I'd be very interested what ^+space produces for character :)
Thanks and best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org:
- Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]:
Hello,
any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system.
HTH
Christian
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Hello Tobias, hello Hannes,
Strange, my inspector window does not show the code in its title, but printing the codepoint of the questionmark shows me the value '770', which is the "COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" (http://www.codetable.net/decimal/770) whereas the correct caret has the value '94', which is "CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" (http://www.codetable.net/decimal/94) - which somehow makes sense ;-) So it seems to be an issue with the input system, not with Squeak. Although I'm really wondering how I can acces the "CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" with the 'deadkeys' keyboard layout...
Thanks for your help, Marc
Am Fr., 5. Okt. 2018 um 02:14 Uhr schrieb H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com:
Hello Marc
You write:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
In case you have problems getting what Tobias suggests to work it might be easier to evaluate (i.e. select and choose 'do it')
' ?' inspect 'g?' inspect
Regards
Hannes
On 10/4/18, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
On 04.10.2018, at 15:05, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Thans Tobias,
I did now the following in the Workspace:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
Putting the $ before the ? and inspecting the character just displays the same character again, for example self has the value "$?" in the inspector... no unicode point, just the questionmark... ;-)
Ok, it should actually look somewhat like this when you hit 'ctrl-i':
In any case, '$i codePoint' (with i being your strange character) should work...
Best regards -Tobias
Best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de:
Hi
On 04.10.2018, at 11:03, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Christian,
I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space", but it justs displays a questionmark. When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is solved for now ;-)
But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I thought Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Well, the question mark is just Squeaks way of saying "i know the Character but I don't have it in the font"
you can do the following:
put a $ before the character, select the whole thin and hit ctrl-i. Then you see what character it is, typically by unicode point.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: I'd be very interested what ^+space produces for character :)
Thanks and best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org:
- Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]:
> Hello, > > any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and > Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems...
On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system.
HTH
Christian
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Ha, I figured it out: with 'deadkeys' keyboard settings I have to enter the caret twice (^^) to get the correct "Circumflex Accent"!
Best regards, Marc Am Fr., 5. Okt. 2018 um 08:25 Uhr schrieb Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com:
Hello Tobias, hello Hannes,
Strange, my inspector window does not show the code in its title, but printing the codepoint of the questionmark shows me the value '770', which is the "COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" (http://www.codetable.net/decimal/770) whereas the correct caret has the value '94', which is "CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" (http://www.codetable.net/decimal/94) - which somehow makes sense ;-) So it seems to be an issue with the input system, not with Squeak. Although I'm really wondering how I can acces the "CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" with the 'deadkeys' keyboard layout...
Thanks for your help, Marc
Am Fr., 5. Okt. 2018 um 02:14 Uhr schrieb H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com:
Hello Marc
You write:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
In case you have problems getting what Tobias suggests to work it might be easier to evaluate (i.e. select and choose 'do it')
' ?' inspect 'g?' inspect
Regards
Hannes
On 10/4/18, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
On 04.10.2018, at 15:05, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Thans Tobias,
I did now the following in the Workspace:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
Putting the $ before the ? and inspecting the character just displays the same character again, for example self has the value "$?" in the inspector... no unicode point, just the questionmark... ;-)
Ok, it should actually look somewhat like this when you hit 'ctrl-i':
In any case, '$i codePoint' (with i being your strange character) should work...
Best regards -Tobias
Best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de:
Hi
On 04.10.2018, at 11:03, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Christian,
I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space", but it justs displays a questionmark. When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is solved for now ;-)
But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I thought Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Well, the question mark is just Squeaks way of saying "i know the Character but I don't have it in the font"
you can do the following:
put a $ before the character, select the whole thin and hit ctrl-i. Then you see what character it is, typically by unicode point.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: I'd be very interested what ^+space produces for character :)
Thanks and best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann ckeen@pestilenz.org: > > * Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]: >> Hello, >> >> any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu 18.04 and >> Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems... > > On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a > dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, > but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be > produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the caret > appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a 'nodeadkeys' > variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system. > > HTH > > Christian > > -- > May you be peaceful, may you live in safety, may you be free from > suffering, and may you live with ease. > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
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This might still be a Squeak bug:
(String withAll: (#($a 770) collect: #asCharacter)) composeAccents ==> 'â'
It works with $a so should space work too? I'm not entirely sure of the Unicode normalization rules.
- Bert -
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:40 PM Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Ha, I figured it out: with 'deadkeys' keyboard settings I have to enter the caret twice (^^) to get the correct "Circumflex Accent"!
Best regards, Marc Am Fr., 5. Okt. 2018 um 08:25 Uhr schrieb Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com:
Hello Tobias, hello Hannes,
Strange, my inspector window does not show the code in its title, but printing the codepoint of the questionmark shows me the value '770', which is the "COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" (http://www.codetable.net/decimal/770) whereas the correct caret has the value '94', which is "CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" (http://www.codetable.net/decimal/94) - which somehow makes sense ;-) So it seems to be an issue with the input system, not with Squeak. Although I'm really wondering how I can acces the "CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT" with the 'deadkeys' keyboard layout...
Thanks for your help, Marc
Am Fr., 5. Okt. 2018 um 02:14 Uhr schrieb H. Hirzel <
hannes.hirzel@gmail.com>:
Hello Marc
You write:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
In case you have problems getting what Tobias suggests to work it might be easier to evaluate (i.e. select and choose 'do it')
' ?' inspect 'g?' inspect
Regards
Hannes
On 10/4/18, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
On 04.10.2018, at 15:05, Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com wrote:
Thans Tobias,
I did now the following in the Workspace:
I entered "^ ", Workspace displayed: " ?", I entered "^g", Workspace displayed: "g?"
Putting the $ before the ? and inspecting the character just
displays
the same character again, for example self has the value "$?" in the inspector... no unicode point, just the questionmark... ;-)
Ok, it should actually look somewhat like this when you hit 'ctrl-i':
In any case, '$i codePoint' (with i being your strange character)
should
work...
Best regards -Tobias
Best regards, Marc Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Tobias Pape <
Das.Linux@gmx.de>:
Hi
> On 04.10.2018, at 11:03, Marc Hanisch <
marc.hanisch@googlemail.com>
> wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > I've configured my keyboard with 'deadkeys' (I need the caret for > Esperanto characters like ĝĥ), so I already tried "^ + Space",
but it
> justs displays a questionmark. > When I switch to 'nodeadkeys' I can enter the caret. So this is
solved
> for now ;-) > > But I'm still wondering, why I can't type UTF8-characters? I
thought
> Squeak is UTF-8 aware?
Well, the question mark is just Squeaks way of saying "i know the Character but I don't have it in the font"
you can do the following:
put a $ before the character, select the whole thin and hit
ctrl-i. Then
you see what character it is, typically by unicode point.
Best regards -Tobias
PS: I'd be very interested what ^+space produces for character :)
> > Thanks and best regards, > Marc > Am Do., 4. Okt. 2018 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Christian Kellermann > ckeen@pestilenz.org: >> >> * Marc Hanisch marc.hanisch@googlemail.com [181004 10:25]: >>> Hello, >>> >>> any ideas? I've tested the stable Squeak release on Ubuntu
18.04 and
>>> Fedora 28 and I can't enter the caret on both systems... >> >> On some system (depending on your layout config) the caret is a >> dead key, that is, it will not get displayed when pressed once, >> but hold as a modifier for entering keys like ấ (which can be >> produced with ^ + a). Try typing ^ + space and see whether the
caret
>> appears. If that get's too annoying try configuring a
'nodeadkeys'
>> variant in your keyboard layout preferences on your linux system. >> >> HTH >> >> Christian >> >> -- >> May you be peaceful, may you live in safety, may you be free from >> suffering, and may you live with ease. >> _______________________________________________ >> Beginners mailing list >> Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
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