2009/11/6 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez <miguel.coba at gmail.com>:
> El jue, 05-11-2009 a las 17:47 -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr escribió:
>> Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>> > On 11/5/09 4:27 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>> > > As for Keith's proposals: first time i heard about them not long ago
>> > > in IRC chat, and i reacted.
>> >
>> > Ha ha ha.
>> >
>> > Good joke !
>> > Only Board member and qualified Squeaker who don't know ?
>> >
>> > I don't agree with Keith 98% of the time, but you can't said he don't try to
>> > discuss about the release process and how he think Squeak should be made.
>>
>> By "Keith's proposals" Igor meant the set of rules Keith suggested for
>> the board and teams recently on IRC, which Igor then brought to the
>> board for discussion and we have brought to squeak-dev. Igor was not
>> aware of previous attempts to define such rules even though Miguel said
>> this discussion was many months old.
>
> I don't said that. That's the reason for the change in the subject.
> I said that againg I see a neverending discussion about things that,
> although can be important indeed, just delay the changes, that the users
> want to see.
>

Why then, just not speak what changes you want to see?
I want to see a lot of things. But i'm not sure that there many others
who share my ideas.
You know, its really hard to make eveyone happy :)

> Of course I agree that the terms are important and in extreme cases will
> be the sword that will solve problems, but in 90% of the cases it won't
> be (hopefully) invoked. While that is discussed, there is no real
> advance on squeak any different than before, when everyone walk in its
> own direction, just like the trunk commits show the personal itches
> being scratched by each commiter.
>

Well, i think its not someone's fault (including board) that everyone
wants to go into own direction.
Its a natural way of things.
You think that board should define the direction and development plans? Okay.
But then board becomes not just a bunch of people who serve for
oversight, but more closer to technical
issues.
Then board should consist of people who developing squeak and make
different technical decisions,
but not a comitte which just sits and watching overall progress.
But again, the problem is to find people who will stick with plan and
dedicate own time getting there.
Without such people, all decisions is just a puff of smoke.

So, i want to ask, is there anyone, who willing to spend his spare
time and continuously contribute,
according to some plan? Or we left with only option to have a people
who contributing only because of
personal itches?

Needless to say, i'm not satisfied with current state of art.

>
>
>> For one attempt to start this
>> discussion, see my post from February -
>>
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-February/134
>> 288.html
>>
>> -- Jecel
>>
>>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Miguel Cobá
> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx
>
>
>



-- 
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.