One pair of my smelly socs ws  giga-scale, giga-hertz SoCs 

2018-03-30 5:26 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <>:

Much of the stability issues are not related to speed but to the conversion to 64-bits,

What i see on Eliot web pages are these most often occured words:

fast     ( cogblog )
double its speed      ( VW )
chip design support  ( hic current company )

But, where are the nice and beutiful high ideas like these from Allan Kay and others? 
Where are final simlicity and usability?  

Sorry this Eliot thinking and programming style ( assembler like thinking and supit overoptimizations ) is leading to some kind of all asociated programmers hell ...
COG, SPUR whatewer next - he is the number 1. in Open VM and it seems nobody else is care about where it leads and how to change it

which is *critical* for our community since over time modern operating systems are making it harder to run 32-bit applications.  A lot of the complexity is probably in the Cog-JIT, so perhaps StackInterpreter build of the VM would provide the balance of stability and speed you desire (@All, how would you rate that option?)

Maybe i will try anything where Eliot is not putting his hands.
btw, again I ask...
1. Which OS version were you running Pharo on?  
Pharo 6.1 on Debian Linux  
2. Were you running 32-bit or 64-bit Pharo?
Both version, old images and vm work OK
3. Which links did you download Pharo from?  i.e. what is the version/date of both VM and Image?   Often we can advise that specific VM/Image has a known bug that has since been fixed. 

I will try squeak, and then give you my opinion. But i preffer Pharo for Seaside support and style and more proffesional look of webpage and previous good images and vms.


Ing. Jan Barger